As you have most likely heard, the Abbot government has stated that they will remove both the Family Tax Benefit Part A supplement and the Childcare benefits from any family who does not vaccinate their children fully according to the current Australian Childhood schedule. The opposition is in full support of these changes which, it is estimated, can cost Australian families with two children up to $30,000 per year.
The AVN believes that these moves are illegal and unconstitutional and is in absolute opposition to them.
We need all Australians who believe in freedom of health choice – whether you vaccinate fully, selectively or not at all – to immediately call as well as send a very brief email to your local members of Federal Parliament (you can find their details at this link) and also to the following 3 people:
The Hon Tony Abbott, Prime Minister of Australia
Level 2, 17 Sydney Road
Manly, NSW, 2095
Telephone:(02) 9977 6411
Fax:(02) 9977 8715
The Hon Bill Shorten, Leader of the Opposition
PO Box 214
Moonee Ponds Vic 3039
Tel: (03) 9326 1300
Fax: (03) 9326 0611
The Hon Scott Morrison, Minister for Social Services
PO Box 1306
Cronulla, NSW, 2230
Telephone:(02) 9523 0339
Fax:(02) 9523 8959
All you need to say is the following:
I do not support the “No Jab, No Pay” reforms which are proposed to be enacted into law. I do support freedom of health choice and will vote accordingly in up-coming local, federal and state elections.
If you call, give them your name and if you write, be sure to sign your name and include your contact details.
If you can send these letters by post, that is powerful. If you can’t, please email (using the contact form links above) or fax (or both) but whatever you do, do it today!
We are also asking for pledges for a potential court challenge should the government proceed with this legislation. We will not be charging anyone until we have the means (or necessity) to fight this, but if you would like to help support health rights in Australia, please click here to make a pledge.
To read more about these moves from a very pro-vaccination, anti-health choice page, click here to read the Daily Telegraph’s take on what is happening. There is also a poll on this page asking if you think it is right to financially penalise parents who don’t vaccinate. It would be great if you could vote in that poll.
Non Vaccinated kids cost the government less in the long run, as they see Drs less, paediatricians less and have better overall health
Your living in a fantasy land, my wife & I are both doctors & we see sick kids constantly that are not immunised & they are putting lives at risk, Think of all the diseases that have been wiped out through immunisation
Gary, we welcome doctors here and, knowing that we are not infallible, appreciate input from learned people, who might possibly convince us to change our minds. So what have you got? Tell us about one of the diseases that was wiped out through vaccination, perhaps.
How about a graph showing rates of affliction, and a marker for when the vaccine was introduced? Or do you just want to add to the problem, throw around blanket statements and make fun of us? It’s people like you that made me stop vaccinating. I started out just wanting to have a conversation about it.
But self-said experts such as yourself (like a car salesman claiming to be an engineer) don’t want to have a conversation, they just want us to shut up and take the shots so they can have their money.
Don’t refuse any of the dogma, don’t question the dogma, don’t discuss the dogma. And if you don’t follow the dogma, to the letter, thou shalt be BANISHED!
Cult, anyone?
I am also very interested in seeing Gary’s proof of all these diseases that were wiped out by vaccination. Please do share that information with us Gary.
The statistics will show a very different story to that which Gary is promoting
Just a few that are controlled or eradicated via vaccinations are:
Small Pox
Polio
Diphtheria
Malaria
Measles
Whooping cough
Pneumococcal
Tetanus
Typhoid
Do you want me to name more?
In 1995 prior to the Chicken Pox vaccine, 11,000 people were hospitalised & 100 people died from this. Where is your proof that non-vaccinated children are healthier, you cannot make statements without proof.
Malaney in Queensland has one of the lowest percentages of vaccinated children , yet there has been a resent outbreak of Whooping Cough, which is a KILLER.
I hope your children don’t go to the same school as mine & put them a risk.
Gary, now I really know that you are ignorant and I have no fear of saying that.
There is NO vaccine against malaria and malaria has not been controlled.
Typhoid vaccine has never been widely used and even the world health organisation does not recommend its use for people living in developed nations (where typhoid – a water-borne disease – was easily controlled by the provision of clean water to cities instead of the sewer water that many in the developing world are forced to drink.
Tetanus is not an infectious disease and the only people in WWII who got tetanus in the army were fully vaccinated against it. In fact, in Australia, there are 7-10 deaths from tetanus every year and to the best of my knowledge, every single one of those people was vaccinated against the disease.
I noticed you didn’t mention Scarlet Fever or Cholera – why stop with the ones you did list?
Smallpox only died out when the vaccination uptake declined. This is government information – look it up – if you can’t find this data, let me know and I’ll dig it out. And in fact, the largest and deadliest outbreaks of smallpox around the world occurred in those populations with the highest rate of vaccination against the disease. The greatest minds of the day were stating that the vaccine itself (and the method of its administration – you need to look that up too Gary as I’m pretty sure you have no idea how smallpox vaccine was administered for the first 100+ years of its use and were you to find that out – you would be horrified!) were the cause of these outbreaks.
I could go on but I won’t. You need to do some research. You may be a doctor but when it comes to this issue, your ignorance is really letting you down. You have no excuse. You are retired by your own admission. Take a few weeks and read, read, read. Other children’s lives depend on your becoming informed about vaccines so you have a moral obligation to become less ignorant about this issue. You may still choose, at the end, to administer vaccines – but that choice, like mine, should be an informed one.
Eradicating polio
The Global Polio Eradication Initiative is a partnership established in 1988 between UNICEF, the World Health Organization (WHO), Rotary International, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and other partners. Its goal is to stop transmission of the polio virus completely by 2005 so that the world can be certified polio-free. Since its inception in 1988 this partnership has cut the transmission of polio by more than 99 per cent. At present, polio is endemic in only 7 countries,the lowest number in history. However, pockets remain where the wild poliovirus still maims children. UNICEF’s ongoing role is to provide vaccinators with OPV, the vaccine that protects children against the disease, and deliver it safely to children everywhere by maintaining the critical “cold chain”. It also plays a vital part in educating communties about the importance of vaccinating their children, training health workers and working with governments at both national and district level to coordinate National Immunization Days (NIDs), which can vaccinate as many as 150 million children at a time.
Reducing measles mortality
Measles kills more than any other vaccine-preventable disease: over 500,000 in 2003 alone. To achieve the goal of reducing measles deaths by 50 per cent by 2005, UNICEF has developed a Global Measles Strategic Plan with WHO, CDC and other partners and in consultation with numerous experts worldwide. Together with its partners, UNICEF aims to strengthen routine measles immunization along with supplemental campaigns in countries with low immunization coverage. Global measles deaths have plummeted by 39 per cent, from 873 000 in 1999 to an estimated 530 000 in 2003.
Recently, UNICEF supported mass immunizations in Africa as part of the Measles Partnership, an alliance that includes the American Red Cross, CDC, WHO and the United Nations Foundation. Ultimately, the initiative aims to vaccinate nearly 200 million children and prevent 1.2 million deaths in Africa from 2001-2005.
Eliminating Maternal and Neonatal Tetanus (MNT)
The initiative aims to eliminate MNT by 2005 and is focussed on vaccinating women of childbearing age (15-49 years) in 57 countries where tetanus still kills around 200,000 newborns and 30,000 mothers annually. MNT will be eliminated when there is less than one case per 1,000 live births in every district of every country in the world.
Polio, cancer anyone? and YES, its on the CDC site that was taken down, but here it is
https://preventdisease.com/images13/CDC_Polio.png
Gary, That is not rigth. Sorry!
Where is your proof that is not right, I’ve witnessed this first hand, you can’t make that statement sitting at home or what you read on the internet.
And where is your proof that the tens of thousands of families in Australia who believe their children were harmed or killed by vaccines are wrong? You can’t make that statement without knowing them either. I have had the privilege of meeting many of these people through my 20+ years of work with the AVN. I have had the heartache of experiencing this with one of my own children, Gary. I would never want to take away the rights of anyone to care for their children in the way they thought best – even if I disagreed with that way. Why are you so anxious to do so? What made you our boss? What made you right? Your medical degree only gives you the knowledge you have been taught. We have sought out knowledge and also gained the most valuable knowledge there is – that of experience. What you call anecdote, we call truth. So climb down off of your high horse and start becoming better informed because right now, all I see is ignorance justifying compulsion.
The Oxford Journal of Infectious Disease[4] also pointed out that measles-related deaths were on the decline before the vaccine was available:
By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (~1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912-1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases).
https://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long
See also:
Immunization graphs – Natural Infectious Disease Decline, by Raymond Obomsawin Ph.D. (2009):
“Natural infectious disease declines preceding public immunization efforts. Figures 1 to 11 graphically illustrate that in North America, Europe and the South Pacific major declines in life-threatening infectious diseases occurred historically either without, or far in advance of public immunization efforts for specific diseases, as listed. This provides irrefutable evidence that vaccines are not necessary for the effective elimination of a wide range of infectious diseases.”
https://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf
As to small pox, see this chart below which compares disease incidence between those vaccinated and the “unprotected.”
https://www.whale.to/a/biggs_graph_c.html
Pretty damning evidence against vaccination.
Mmmmhhhh whooping cough a KILLER, yes but almost exclusively to infants, my partner has worked as a child nurse in a major hospital for years has hardly ever seen any serious complications from wc in children older the 6 months, and the funny thing is that even with all the shots only after six months there is protection (I believe 60%) according to my doctor.
So why the taking the risk of the vaccine, after 6 months WC is a nasty one but definitely not a KILLER….
I have proof. I have 7 perfect, amazingly fit, ridiculously healthy children that have not been poisoned – between the ages of 7-23. They are all at the top of their class. Two in college. One for law (to protect our rights) one in Medicine ( to shed light and truth). They are full of life and very fit. Every one of them, including the 7 yr old has a six-pack. They play soccer, football, gymnastics, cheer and baseball. They swim and surf. They do cross country races. They have all had whooping cough, measles, chicken pox and yes even a cold or too but not often. They recover amazingly well and very fast. (Meanwhile the vax’ed kid that gave them the illness is still in bed with a fever.) They didn’t need a shot for that to happen. They need good food in appropriate amounts, they need baths, clean laundry, a clean home and a cough drop or two. I am getting a little tired of you vax’ed people being such a thorn. We don’t bully you. We don’t call you names bc of your choices. We aren’t in 3rd grade anymore.
Oh and your list of scary illness up there…What. Really? Have you ever read a book on Polio. You wouldn’t be so scared if you had. Have you ever know someone who tested positive for polio? I have. My 55 yr old neighbor who was vaxed. She felt pretty bad for about 2 weeks…..and then fully recovered as 97% of the people who get polio do.
You will have to try harder than that.
Fantastic, wish more people like you could find the courage to come forward! But they are relucatant to because of the implications and just want to have a nice peaceful life and be in charge of their own health!
Perhaps you really need to watch the You Tube presentations of Suzanne Humphries. I would recommend that people watch them all, as she has a lot to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQQOv-Oi6U
It seems the science is really disappointing as far as vaccines are concerned. Both currently and historically. Unfortunately people are tuning it into a religion. A system of ‘belief’. Based on accepted dogma.
What escapes many people is that recently we have seen outbreaks of diseases amongst vaccinated populations. So, they don’t work, either.
Why are vaccines given ‘a pass’ from criticism and question, when now, antibiotics are under such scrutiny? It’s all part of the same reality, isn’t it?
Excuse me Gary but I thought that if your children are vaccinated then they don’t have to worry about catching these diseases or do they only work if everyone is done and another interesting question why is it that AIDS has infected millions of people world wide and because we don’t have a vaccine for it yet why are these people still allowed to walk around potentially infected others and why is washing your hands after going to the toilet not mandatory when e-coli poisoning can be just as fatal as measles. My Children are vaccinated but only because I was not aware that these vaccines contained things like mercury formaldehyde and aborted fetus cells had I have know this I may have been a bit pickier about what I vaccinated against ie leaving out measles as it is more of an inconvenience as opposed to diphtheria which due to the vaccine being invented is the only reason i am breathing today because my uncle was a carrier. Maybe if more people however opposed to the actual ingredients in these vaccines and those things not absolutely necessary were taken out like mercury (preservative) most people would be more open to them People must have the right to chose for themselves or we officially live in a dictatorship
On Whooping Cough, one of the reasons for increased rates of W.Cough is the newer vaccine. Its responsible for increasing numbers of cases in USA. Reuters reports:
https://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403 . ‘In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough — the largest seen in California in more than 50 years. Witt had expected to see the illnesses center around unvaccinated kids, knowing they are more vulnerable to the disease. “We started dissecting the data. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. That’s what started catching our attention.’ “Whooping Cough: An acellular whooping cough vaccine actually enhances the colonization of Bordetella parapertussis in mice; pointing towards a rise in B. parapertussis incidence resulting from acellular vaccination, which may have contributed to the observed increase in whooping cough over the last decade. Despite widespread vaccination, whooping cough incidence is on the rise worldwide, making it a disease virtually immune to vaccines. Dangerous new strains of whooping cough bacteria are now evading Australia’s vaccine against the disease and entrenching a four-year epidemic that could soon spread overseas, Sydney scientists have found in research that raises questions about the national vaccine program. * “Sharp Rise in Cases of New Strain of Whooping Cough”, 21 March 2012 https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/health/sharp-rise-cases-new-strain-whooping-cough
Associate Professor Lan’s laboratory team – led by postdoctoral research associate Dr Sophie Octavia – analysed close to 200 samples of the B. pertussis bacterium, collected from 2008 to 2010 over four states, NSW, Vic, SA and WA. The findings suggest that while the current vaccination remains effective against most forms of whooping cough, its use could be contributing to the emergence of new and potentially more dangerous clones, Assoc Prof Lan said. First introduced in Australia in 1997, the ACV vaccination replaced the whole-cell vaccine (WCV), due to concerns about the latter’s side-effects. )
Hi Richard,
This important information has been reported by some Australian media – but whilst the latest “vaccines don’t cause autism and we are paid by big pharma to say so” study has been front page news, this item has been smaller and further back in the paper and I haven’t seen one television network news station cover it.
In addition, this has been known about since the early 1990s with the WHOLE CELL vaccine. Look up studies conducted by Dr Fritz Mooi in the Netherlands. Both vaccines increased susceptibility to the disease. Both vaccines are ineffective. Both vaccine are unable to prevent the spread of or infection with whooping cough.
But if there is one thing the medical community excells at, it is marketing and deflection. They managed to turn a dismal failure into a raging success by not only continuing to convince people that they needed this vaccine, but also managing to fool them into thinking that the failure of a vaccine to protect their children is actually due to some imaginary unvaccinated person whose carriage of the pertussis was so strong, it overcame the ‘shield’ provided by the vaccination. And anyway, they say of late, the vaccine isn’t really meant to prevent pertussis – it’s just supposed to make the symptoms less when you contract the illness (no evidence for that – and what does it say about herd immunity? Don’t ask those questions – that would be very inconvenient!)
Gary, I would assume your children have had all the vaccinations therefore no unvaccinated children could possibly pose any threat or risk to yours. In fact that goes for all children. Why all the worry as vaccinated children have nothing to fear if it indeed does do its job.
I am still unsure of what the big deal is about getting the measles as everyone I know had it including myself and apart from the uncomfortable inconvenience for everyone, how many have actually died?! I know of no one with negative outcome from a whole town for over 50 years. I unfortunately through the fear campaign vaccinated my children for it, now wishing I did not as it seems so ridiculous now.
I am not against the idea of certain vaccinations, if they work, I am however against herd mentality as everyone is different in health and I oppose the threats to health that are added into in the vaccines. Since I myself refuse vaccines and I stopped my from children having the next damaging rounds our health has improved dramatically with the guidance of a naturopath. Every time I took us to the doctor for anything we had no results and I ended up curing the issues myself with natural methods!
We may get some of the little bugs that do the rounds as all the vaccinated people do as well but we recover a lot quicker! Just recently the town has had a break out of the flu going around and guess what, it coincided perfectly with the fact everyone was having their flu jabs, funny about that!! Usually there will also be a death at the aged care facilities at the local hospital after they have had their flu jabs but apparently there is no post mortem done to asses this issue as it is put down to age.
I have watched the health and mental ability of my aging parents quickly spiral downwards the more and more they have put their faith in the medical system and now live on medications and vaccinations. It is heartbreaking, but I have to let them do it their way as it is their CHOICE.
I am a health practitioner who over 20 years has seen many cases both human and animals that have been damaged by vaccine. The problem that these people face in every instance is that they had a healthy child to begin with or animal and then when the reaction was becoming apparent they were told by their Doctors and Vets that it couldn’t be the vaccine.
That is extremely frustrating as there is no real record keeping of the true impact the vaccine is making on the patient.
How many genuine cases were dismissed over the years showing false figures?
I have not vaccinated my children as a result and they are both happy healthy individuals that don’t spread disease as their immunity systems are working as they should.
If their body could not deal with a particular virus they would be ill as a result.
In fact when my youngest contracted whooping cough as she was exposed to a vaccinated person. We managed it so well with homeopathics it really didn’t develop into a serious problem at all. Her immunity system had not been attacked from birth with series of vaccinations it was able to deal with the virus. We then ended up referring the vaccinated friend to the homeopath 6 months later as he was still seriously ill from the vaccine.
In fact if vaccines worked as they should shouldn’t my children be the ones at risk and not the vaccinated children?
You are right Gary all that I see from pro vaccinators is an aggressive response as if their right to chose is being challenged, not the other way around. With a very narrow and completely uninformed opinion that unvaccinated children are putting their children at risk.
It is freedom of choice being taken right out of educated and informed parents that chose not to be bullied into some form of medicine that is yet to be properly and independently researched.
“Spot On,” The issue is with the Immune System – you have it right. How can one look at the effect of a vaccination without first having knowledge of the ability of the Immune System to cope with the overload of a toxic vacine (there is no doubt that vaccines are toxic – no doubt) so why do Doctors that have been trained continue to ignore the facts that you already know and have proven to be correct. Keep on sharing your knowledge the country needs more people like you.
How ridiculous is that response? You ask A DOCTOR to answer a question but then engage in a tirade of abuse directly after without giving him the respect to answer your question. Obviously you have a medical degree that makes you more knowledgeable than a practicing doctor I presume. You people put not only your own unvaccibated children at risk but also the rest of society due to your warped beliefs about the whole vaccination program being only for profits and not for the actual reason vaccines are made……to stop deadly infectious diseases.
As far as I can see the doctor was given the respect to answer ??? But the doctor was not able to prove himself right as far as I can also see. So why YOU do not give the others the respect to respond the way they feel like to respond to THE DOCTOR. Or you believe that when doctor says then every1 trusts so. How simple.
And yes, the world today is based mostly on profit. Sure there are good vaccines AND there are also many vaccines not needed and administered only for profit or other bullshit reasons I do not wanna know. If you cannot see it I feel sorry for you. You probably cannot also see the story that they genetically modify our food for profit, but it’s other story… And there are many stories… Other story but the same thinking. So they can bring on other medication, vaccination… it’s almost like a poetry medication and vaccination, don’t you think HAHA.
The main point is to have the FREEDOM to be able to decide about health of yourself and your loved ones full stop.
If your child has been vaccinated against a particular disease then please explain how my unvaccinated child puts them at risk. If they DO contract that disease then it is OBVIOUS that vaccines DO NOT WORK. SIMPLES.
Good one!
I am so very sick of people claiming that if you DO contract a disease that you have been vaccinated against that the vaccines DO NOT WORK.
Vaccines do not make you 100% immune to a disease. A vaccine stimulates your own immune system to make the pathogens that help to keep you from catching a severe form of a disease.
From personal experience, I’m GLAD my parents had me vaccinated as a kid. Because you know what? If they hadn’t, I’d be dead. The vaccine schedule says a child should have their last MMR jab – that’s be the measles, mumps and rubella jab – by age 4. Give it 6 weeks for the vaccine itself to have worked or not and you are no longer at risk of catching the disease from the dead virus they jab into you. At age 5 I CAUGHT rubella. There wasn’t an “outbreak” in my town when I caught it. I personally don’t know where I picked it up from. What I DO know, is that I nearly bloody DIED from it. And I was “fully vaccinated” against it for my age. Without that vaccine already giving me some form of protection, I’d be dead.
That would be how *generic* “Your unvaccinated child puts my vaccinated child at risk”. Because vaccinated doesn’t mean “100% immune”.
Tetanus hasn’t been eradicated because people erroneously think that the jabs they had in childhood will protect them forever. Not true. Those antibodies are out of your system after around 6 or 7 years. I don’t know why, I’m not a doctor. I just know that I have to have that damn needle roughly ever 6 years because I personally have a habit of being exposed to things that would cause the tetanus virus to replicate itself in my body. I live and work on a farm. It happens.
Please don’t think that I want all those unvaccinated kids to be held down and forcibly jabbed. I don’t. I’ve seen the results of what can only be a vaccine related injury.
What I want is for those who decide not to vaccinate to do their research with up to date articles of research. I’m sick of seeing people saying that they won’t vaccinate because the MMR causes autism, or that vaccines have mercury in them… PLEASE do your research with articles and information that is LESS than 5 years old?
They debunked that bloody stupid “Autism is caused by the MMR vaccine” crap. Sadly the first signs of autism spectrum disorders are blatantly visible around the time the MMR is first introduced. It doesn’t cause it. Is it likely that some children who have not displayed signs of autism are vaccine injured and what was already dormant in their genes shows up? Yeah, I’ll buy that. Family tree research in my OWN family says that it doesn’t matter if you’ve had that jab or not, autism is likely to show up about as often as red hair does. And we’ve had a red head in EVERY SINGLE generation on both maternal and paternal sides for 5 generations backwards from me and counting. And yes, my red headed autistic son makes generation 6.
From a very fast google search for scientific articles, mercury hasn’t been in vaccines since 2000 in Australia, except in one specific Hep B vaccine – and since there are other Hep B vaccines, it’s not hard to request a different brand be used please.
I just had a whooping cough booster. I still have a hard little lump under my skin. I didn’t have it because I’m scared I’ll catch it. I had it because I have a niece who is too young to have it herself, and the story of a mother’s 7 children catching it, and the possible originator being an uncle with a cold worried me. I don’t have the flu shot every year, I don’t see the point. I’ve had “Influenza” like symptoms ONCE in my memory. I do catch the common cold every year, and I do get bronchitis and tonsillitis, almost without FAIL every September. Have done since High School. The Whooping Cough booster I had also contained a Tetanus booster and a Diptheria booster. I had the same booster when my son was born. He’s now 11, so according to the data I could find about the vaccines, it was time to get it again since I’m around a small child again.
I had that booster because my brother, the father of my niece, had croup as a kid. It was painful listening to him struggle to breathe with that. I don’t ever want to be the cause of a family member having to listen to their child struggle to breathe if me having one small injection could prevent it.
I will fight just as hard for your right to make an informed choice as you will, but PLEASE, make it an informed choice. Don’t let sensationalist rubbish from 15+ years ago be your only source of information. Talk to your GP. Talk to your local Nurse. Hell, take yourself to the hospital and talk to the lab rats who are likely more up to date on these things. But please don’t just talk to a friend who has a vaccine injured child and let that make your choice.
A vaccine may save your child’s life. It saved mine.
“I am so very sick of people claiming that if you DO contract a disease that you have been vaccinated against that the vaccines DO NOT WORK.”
So how else would one prove the vaccines do not work, or indeed, prove the vaccines actually worked in the first place? Isn’t the purpose of a vaccine to prevent one from contracting the disease? If a vaccine isn’t guaranteed to prevent me from contracting a disease, why should I subject myself, or those in my trust, to this unnecessary and dangerous medical procedure?
“Vaccines do not make you 100% immune to a disease.” Fact.
“A vaccine stimulates your own immune system to make the pathogens that help to keep you from catching a severe form of a disease.” Prove it.
“From personal experience, I’m GLAD my parents had me vaccinated as a kid. Because you know what? If they hadn’t, I’d be dead.” Prove it.
“The vaccine schedule says a child should have their last MMR jab – that’s be the measles, mumps and rubella jab – by age 4. Give it 6 weeks for the vaccine itself to have worked or not and you are no longer at risk of catching the disease from the dead virus they jab into you. At age 5 I CAUGHT rubella. There wasn’t an “outbreak” in my town when I caught it. I personally don’t know where I picked it up from. What I DO know, is that I nearly bloody DIED from it. And I was “fully vaccinated” against it for my age. Without that vaccine already giving me some form of protection, I’d be dead.” Prove it. Without the vaccines already compromising your immune system, I say you may not have contracted rubella at all.
“That would be how *generic* “Your unvaccinated child puts my vaccinated child at risk”. Because vaccinated doesn’t mean “100% immune”. Exactly. Vaccination does not provide immunity, and the side effects of vaccines are potentially deadly. So why subject oneself to a deadly procedure with no proven benefit?
“Tetanus hasn’t been eradicated because people erroneously think that the jabs they had in childhood will protect them forever. Not true. Those antibodies are out of your system after around 6 or 7 years.” Prove it. Prove that the antibodies are in your system in the first place, if you have a “jab” in childhood. If you can prove that the antibodies are in your system in the first place once you have a “jab” in childhood, prove that they have a beneficial effect, and that this beneficial effect outweighs the potential deadly side effects. You cannot.
“I don’t know why, I’m not a doctor.” Doctors don’t know, either. Vaccination is about beliefs and money, not science, truth or even health. Vaccines are a superstition that have become a religion.
“I just know that I have to have that damn needle roughly ever 6 years because I personally have a habit of being exposed to things that would cause the tetanus virus to replicate itself in my body. I live and work on a farm. It happens.” Probably having a compromised immune system from vaccines is the reason you are so susceptible to sickness.
“What I want is for those who decide not to vaccinate to do their research with up to date articles of research. I’m sick of seeing people saying that they won’t vaccinate because the MMR causes autism, or that vaccines have mercury in them… PLEASE do your research with articles and information that is LESS than 5 years old?” The MMR vaccine does cause autism, and vaccines do have mercury in them. Just because facts age does not make them any less true.
“They debunked that bloody stupid “Autism is caused by the MMR vaccine” crap.” They didn’t.
“Sadly the first signs of autism spectrum disorders are blatantly visible around the time the MMR is first introduced.” That’s because MMR can cause autism.
“It doesn’t cause it.” It can cause it.
“Is it likely that some children who have not displayed signs of autism are vaccine injured and what was already dormant in their genes shows up?” All people who are vaccinated have experienced some degree of vaccine injury.
“Yeah, I’ll buy that. Family tree research in my OWN family says that it doesn’t matter if you’ve had that jab or not, autism is likely to show up about as often as red hair does.” Prove it.
“And we’ve had a red head in EVERY SINGLE generation on both maternal and paternal sides for 5 generations backwards from me and counting. And yes, my red headed autistic son makes generation 6.” Was he vaccinated prior to his diagnosis of autism?
“From a very fast google search for scientific articles, mercury hasn’t been in vaccines since 2000 in Australia, except in one specific Hep B vaccine – and since there are other Hep B vaccines, it’s not hard to request a different brand be used please.” Check your sources – they’re wrong. Don’t believe every article you find on the internet, particularly ones found “in a very fast google search”. Don’t request a different brand of poison. Just don’t request the poison injection at all.
“I just had a whooping cough booster. I still have a hard little lump under my skin.” Possibly a cancer virus admitted to being present in the Polio vaccine.
“I don’t have the flu shot every year, I don’t see the point.” Wise.
“I’ve had “Influenza” like symptoms ONCE in my memory. I do catch the common cold every year, and I do get bronchitis and tonsillitis, almost without FAIL every September. Have done since High School.” Again, probably due to the damage to your immune system from being poisoned with so many vaccines.
“I had that booster because my brother, the father of my niece, had croup as a kid. It was painful listening to him struggle to breathe with that. I don’t ever want to be the cause of a family member having to listen to their child struggle to breathe if me having one small injection could prevent it.” Alas, having one small injection in no ways guarantees a reduction in likelihood of having family members listen to their child struggle.
“I will fight just as hard for your right to make an informed choice as you will, but PLEASE, make it an informed choice. Don’t let sensationalist rubbish from 15+ years ago be your only source of information.” If information was valid 15 years ago, why is it invalid today?
“Talk to your GP.” Doctors are blackmailed into promoting vaccines. Those who don’t support vaccines are delicensed (look at Wakefield), ostracised, or prohibited from travel (look at the recent Dr Tenpenny). How can we trust the word of doctors if every doctor who doesn’t tow the vaccine line is delicensed and persecuted? If free speech has been taken away for this issue, and it has been taken away for medical professionals, it is naive to tell us to talk to the doctors who hadn’t the mettle to stand against the system.
“Talk to your local Nurse. Hell, take yourself to the hospital and talk to the lab rats who are likely more up to date on these things.” As I said, free speech has been taken away from medical professionals. If a medical professional ever advises against vaccines, it is done in secret so as not to put his or her livelihood in jeopardy. How can anyone trust the safety of vaccines while this tyranny goes unchecked? Please don’t be so naive.
“But please don’t just talk to a friend who has a vaccine injured child and let that make your choice.” Why not? Wouldn’t a friend with a vaccine injured child be best placed of all to assess the risks of vaccines?
“A vaccine may save your child’s life. It saved mine.” A vaccine may also take your child’s life, or give your child autism. The benefits of vaccination don’t outweigh the risks – never have and never will. Don’t let arrogant man with his potions and poisons deceive you into thinking he can outperform Almighty God, who created man with a body more than capable of fighting disease when adequately nourished.
I don’t get vaccinated and I’m not dead!!! So how can you prove it was the vaccine that saved your life. You can’t! And how can you prove that you would or wouldn’t have contracted an infectious disease if you weren’t vaccinated. You can’t! Ohhhh and since when was there a vaccine for croup. Ooops you must have been suuccccckkkked right into that one.
Its a matter of trust….. We dont trust big pharma & what is in the vaccines. & if they work so well then you & yours along with all vaccinated people are safe as can be. Why make it mandatory? If we dont take it, you will be rid of us that much sooner. While all the while you are safe as a clam in bed.
Because your putting YOUR children’s and others at risk
Gary, explain how healthy, unvaccinated children put ANYONE at risk and cite your evidence. Then, explain to me how those who receive live virus vaccines aren’t spreading the diseases to others (hint for you – it states clearly in the manufacturer’s information that they do).
After looking at the big picture, I’d say vaccines are what is putting our children at risk. In the last 10 years there have been zero deaths from measles while 109 deaths are attributed to the measles vaccine.
Why does the world famous Dr Oz push vaccines while on the other hand refuses to vaccinate his own children?
I would like to see a graph Gary, what diseases have been wiped out? What scurvy??opps Vit C and better living conditions did that!
Where are the long term testing on the massive amount of vac they pump into a tiny body regardless of weight and differing immune systems? That statement a cope out.
There is a study that has been done by the fda which states that the whooping cough vaccine is the reason there has been out breaks because that vaccinated people are carrying around the bacteria in their airways for up to 6 weeks after the vaccine had been injected and are able to spread it to others .. That was two years ago nov 27,2013
That’s right, Tanya. But don’t expect anyone from the department of health (sickness) or the medical community to ever bring this study up. Just like all the studies that link vaccines to outbreaks or serious side effects and death, they will be buried and never seen or heard by the average Australian. Instead, the government will try to force you to take these known-to-be ineffective shots like the pertussis vaccine or take away your rights as a citizen.
If a child has a very healthy Immune System and is treated homeopathically (if you look into the history of homeopathy it was around a long time before your so-called traditional medicine until Big Pharma changed all that – I challenge you to study that) then those children will not be a risk to others.
Use you own common sense. Maybe those children that do not have a strong Immune System could be a risk – but I have ONLY ONE QUESTION FOR YOU GARY – AS A DR WHY ARE YOU NOT RECOMMENDING A CHILD HAVE A STRONG IMMUNE SYSTEM RATHER THAN BOMBARD THE BODY WITH A POSSIBLY RATHER TOXIC SOLUTION THAT WILL PUT THAT CHILD AT RISK. CAN YOU SEE HOW YOUR ARGUMENTS DO NOT MAKE ANY SENSE?
THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS THE PROBLEM WITH ALL DISEASES! AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT. STOP PLAYING GOD AND START LIVING BY THE OATH YOU MADE! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT BIG PHARMA IS CONTROLLING THE SYSTEM – STUDIES ARE FALSIFIED – STOP TREATING INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LIKE IDIOTS!
BE A POSTIVE THINKER AND START SOME INDEPENDANT RESEARCH YOURSELF!
hahahahaha Ted, this is the best!!
At the time the vaccinations came along most diseases were on their way out due mostly to better hygienne. These facts can be found easily on the internet. They also try to tell us that an immunized child is at risk from an unimmunized child as recently seen on TV a couple of days ago. They showed a mother telling us exactly that. So we are being told the vaccine doesn’t work? How stupid do they think we are?
Again ignorant trained but UNEDUCATED drs!!!! Vaccines eradicated NOTHING!!! Clean water, sanitation, clean food and housing did!! You fools!
Uneducated? Your an idiot, look at all the proof, within a century, the average life expectancy was raised from 47- 77yrs, this is through vaccinations,
Go back to smoking your bong, hippy
I hardly think living from 47 to 77 has anything to do with childhood diseases. After all not many are still children at 47. However improved personal hygiene as well as sewerage and clean water DEFINITELY makes a difference.
You are kidding right gary, your just doing this to get a rise out of people yes?
“Live expectancy raised fro 47-77, this is through vaccinations” sorry this is an emotional statement that I think even the vaccination manufacturers won’t support. I forgive you for that for Krissy’s statement that vaccine eradicated nothing is also not-proven and emotional. I understand that this debate is heated and I feel pretty stressed over the proposed legislation. But honestly I read a bit (understatement)on vaccinations and as far as I can see “true scientific” evidence is not given by both sides.Why? One reason is that random control trials are not done (considered unethical) so they do these fake once where they only use the active ingredient from the new vaccine.The problem however is most with preservatives etc,also is there no trials to find that study the combined effects of all the vaccines.
I believe the main problem is that the industry refuses to engage in specialist led public debate (specialists I mean not Doctors), this debate must be free of any industry funding.The industry doesn’t want to do this because even though there might come consensus of some benefits of vaccinations the majority of their claims won’t stand scrutiny and so it is the bottom line that counts. I hear people scream that the fossil fuel industry puts profit before environment/people and in one sentence claim that vaccination sceptics are paranoid. Doesn’t make sense.
In the first instance this debate is not about vaccination or not. The question is can you dictate it?
A few facts:
– Some medical universities are funded by pharmaceutical companies. Is their interest profit or people in the first instance?
– no Pharmaceutical company ever claimed that any of their products heals anything or anyone
– there are save alternative treatments to cancer that are not even considered – why?
– every drug has to pass the LD50 test and thus is lethal in an overdose (containing elements that are contrary to your health)
– thousands of people die in hospitals every year (US, UK, Australia) by being administered the prescribed drug (not talking about people close to exitus anyway)
The problem is that the studies are not carried out independantly. Many Drs have already come forward and said that they do not give credibility to studies as they themselves have been asked to falsify results – that is a huge problem. So the studies are not conclusive there is NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! What we all need to look at is the Drs that have gone out on a limb, working together with other like minded Drs – these guys are actually proving that the “traditional” methods are not working and they have to go outside the boundaries.
What is being done is clearly not working, the body is an organic system that relies on substantial nutrition for optimal health – this has been proven over and over with people who have escaped the “death sentence” with cancer. So open up your hearts, minds and seek out the truth. You cannot possibly pump a chemical into an organic body and expect that it will not affect that system somehow. That has been proven in all areas of health today. We have spent more money on health and we are sicker than ever. So stop being stubborn and seeing that there is a serious problem about how things have been done. There is a need for change – a change that works for all. Boost the immune system, heal the body – make it strong – it is working for those who choose that path. Spend the money on teaching people these things that the wise ones on this page are already doing. They have it right and it is working, why would you not listen to someone who has it right? What is wrong with humanity that a title surpasses common logic? None of it makes any sense. Argue all you like Dr Gary, we all have a lot to learn about health, but it is not up to the Govenrment to dicate as they are. When they really start being there for the people then we wont have pages like this – that is the problem – the Govts. are trying to play God. It is so pathetic! There are some very intelligent, smart and educated people out there without titles of Dr, Lawyer, Accountant, Politician etc that actually do have it right! But no one listens to them – why not?
We should all be saying to those that are getting it right, “What are you doing and why – learning from that but instead we are dictating and arguing – what is wrong with our society today!
Think about it! None of this makes any sense nor is it helping anyone. Here is something that might make some of you think a bit more – these are reall people, real Drs that are stepping outside the box and doing it!
The best we can all do is learn more about our own health than the Dr can ever tell you, look after your loved ones, and that will save the Govt millions. Maybe the Medical Proffessions, Hospitals, Chemists and big Pharma really do have too much to lose if we all become educated!
Could it be that simple. Open your hearts, open your minds and learn for yourselves about health – the proof is there that what we have been doing – IS CLEARLY NOT WORKING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1rtIxvkao
sorry Gary, that makes no sense at all. What about the fact that in the last hundred years we went from most people working daylight to dark, HARD, HEAVY MANUAL LABOUR, houseing with little or no insulation, to all driving cars from a to b, warm comfy houses etc. there are so many environmental factors influencing this statistic it is impossible to pin that on vacinations!
You still haven’t learnt to spell Gary. As a “doctor” I would have thought you would be able to actually spell. And no, life expectancy is not raised through vaccinations. As an educated health professional I know that it was decline in childbirth mortalities that has contributed to increase in life expectancy. Nothing to do with vaccines.
If you’re a doctor; how come you can’t spell and use proper grammar and punctuation. How can you get through med school with an English education of a 5 year old?
Seriously? Is that all you have? You don’t have any proof of statements that people make about not vaccinating your children, so you have to resort to that sort of childish rubbish, your all sheep following someone else’s beliefs without ANY proof
Gary, there is plenty of proof on this website and in medical journals. Have you bothered to read any of it? To be honest, I don’t see you providing any evidence either.
Gary I believe you have been asked very good questions, if you were my dr or as educated as you claim, I would expect better than “your following someone else’s beliefs” as a response. Answer the questions Gary.
Gary I apologise for the abuse, That;s what the pro vaxxers normally do to us critics. I always wish we would use reason not rant…unfortunately. I support you on this one.
Conspiracy thinking has no place in this discussion, whether true or not motivations as depopulation etc are not proven.They don’t contribute to the discussion and only give pro vaxxers a stick to hit you with. No need to say everything you think especially not without thinking about the wider impact. This issue is too important, we have to stop these laws. Please refrain from ranting, abusing, emotional reactions and conspiracy theories ( I too feel very emotional about this,my partner was crying the other day as we need the money at the moment and just the thought of being bullied into this made her feel completely violated). If we want to win this we need mature factual debate all the rest will work against us. We critics of vaccination don’t need to bully we have research to support us.Please.
Hi Noidea
You are absolutely right. This is a serious issue which deserves real, rigorous debate. Like you say, ranting, name calling and emotive language, especially when linked to ‘conspiracy theories’ will just lead us around in circles. Both sides of the issue must be listened to respectfully, so that people can make informed decisions that deserve respect, regardless of whether you are on the pro or non vaccination side. In fact currently I’m neither, although the more I research, the more I feel reluctant to go down the path of vaccination.
However, the issue I absolutely object to is that many people will not make a free choice, but a coerced one.
Is it even constitutional for the government to financially disadvantage those who make a decision not to vaccinate????
Gabi
I agree with your comment Gary, although I do think we vaccinate too much and too early. Still the issue here is forcing people.
While I am here, can anyone explain why Australian aboriginals used to die from the common cold when we first made contact with them and do not now? Have they built their own immunity over time? If so, could this be why the diseases discussed here have declined as well?
Gary you are a left brain prisoner. You are ignorant and like most drs are a big pharma shill. Call yourself a dr “first do no harm”. Do some research (you and your wife) with your big brains you should become an anti vaxxer in no time. I am embarrassed for you both
Regardless of vaxed or not kids can get sick! I have a 5,10,12 never had antibiotic or needed to go to the dr in 6 years. Building and supporting a strong immune system is what makes the difference between if or how sick you get when sickness is going around! I personally know many vax injured and even a death from vax. Regardless of belife every parent should have freedom of choice to choice! There is risk either way we did not want to gamble on that amout of chemicals injected to a child in the first year of life. I would rather support a sick child that risk possible damaging a healthy one!
No vax stopped many diseases. Better hygiene, and diet made a massive difference. Check the vax charts and see that many disease where already down before vax.
Right you are, Karen. Vitamins (and sanitation, etc.), not vaccines or drugs, are the answer!
“Severe measles is more likely among poorly nourished young children, especially those with insufficient vitamin A, or whose immune systems have been weakened by HIV/AIDS or other diseases.”
“All children in developing countries diagnosed with measles should receive two doses of vitamin A supplements, given 24 hours apart. This treatment restores low vitamin A levels during measles that occur even in well-nourished children and can help prevent eye damage and blindness. Vitamin A supplements have been shown to reduce the number of deaths from measles by 50%.”
– World Health Organization https://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
And that’s just ONE vitamin.
Cellular immunity requires specific nutrients in adequate amounts; people are not vaccine-deficient.
D. N. McMurray, “Cell-Mediated Immunity in Nutritional Deficiency,” Progress in Food & Nutrition Science, 1984, p. 193.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6396715
I really don’t mean to be rude Gary, but for a Doctor… Your spelling and grammar is pretty appalling!!
Yes; I said the same thing. Anyone can say they are a doctor.
both schooled in the system your opinion means nothing. https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/ https://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/images/measles.gif https://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/images/scarletfever.gif https://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/images/diphtheria.gif https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/#MortUK_USA_Aus https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/us-deaths-1900-1965.gif https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/0707277diphtheria.jpg https://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/images/whoopingcough.gif https://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/0707275measleslog.jpg
yes Vaccines have reduced diseases, but just like antibiotics, doctors only know how to push the needle. Can you really say that in 50 years time, that this many vaccines, so soon after birth, all mixed together, with additives, heavy metal preservatives, mixed with vaccines long since eradicated, are not a mistake. Lets make them fresh, individually to suit the current disease climate. im mean gee were jabbing kids with vaccines that are outdated….and not relevant to the current strain. when i went to a doctor with whopping cough, i was told to go home that i had the flu. so i rang the hospital and they said there was an outbreak. I wish doctors would just say they don’t know, when they don’t know.
And I would like to know what proof we have that vaccines have actually reduced diseases when most of the diseases we vaccinate against today were only reportable shortly before the introduction of the shot and with the older vaccines, clinical diagnoses meant that there were many errors were made (as well as changes in diagnostic criteria eg changes in the diagnosis of polio coinciding with the introduction of the shot leading to a huge decrease in cases just because of the change in criteria). We know that when it comes to mortality, the lion’s share of that decline occurred well before the introduction of the relevant vaccine or (in the case of bacterial illnesses) antibiotics. We know that diseases which we never vaccinated against and that had a corresponding high level of mortality (such as typhoid and scarlet fever) declined in line with the diseases which we did vaccinate against. So where is the evidence that vaccines did ANYTHING to reduce disease burden?
Yay yay yay well said.
Actually, vaccines did not reduce ‘infectious’ diseases…. just check out these graphs
https://www.whale.to/vaccine/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf
What an absolute load of big pHARMa lies.Have you even bothered to read the vaccine inserts provided by the manufacturers? Have any of you parents out there been offered the vaccine insert, or asked for and READ it? These have huge lists of side effects from these poisons/toxins that are FAR more deadly & common than the diseases they are supposed to prevent (Research it). Because the government, pseudo scientists, universities, doctors, media and others are being financed by the multi-billion dollar poison makers do you honestly believe this is not a major conflict of interest? I went to a family function yesterday and of the 6 young children there, 4 of them were autistic because most of my cousins want to believe the lies and had their children vaccinated. Of the 2 that appeared normal I have a feeling they are not vaccinated but will ask my cousin. That is a 66% of autism affected infants. The other children there were our own 4 who we have not & will NOT get vaccinated and everyone was commenting at how healthy they are. They have rarely been sick and even when they do get sick bounce back in days compared to my weeks. We even got whooping cough which I will also tell you about. In 2010 I took my 2 year old son to the hospital emergency department and told them I wanted to be tested for whooping cough (I listen to my body and knew something was up before I even got any real symptoms). “But you don’t have a cough!” they said and after talking to me for a few minutes with some smug looks and snickers made me wait in the waiting area for three hours. They were not busy when we arrived but soon the waiting room filled up and you can’t stop a happy 2 year old from wanting to play with the toys & talk (very talkative at 2) to people in the waiting room. They then took us to a room where they made us wait for another 1+ hours. Finally they did the necessary tests (2 minutes) and we left. First thing next morning we get a call “you both have whooping cough, who have you been in contact with the past week” my reply was Duh! Everyone in your waiting room yesterday because you WOULD NOT believe me. I then took my family with masks on to our family doctor (one who does not push vaccines and KNOWS how healthy our children are) and everyone was started on a course of antibiotics as well as vitamin C supplements.
Due to vaccinations as a child I now have a suppressed immune system and suffered the most from the whooping cough. Our 7 month old daughter at the time was being breast fed and fared the best of us all. We took her daily to the doctor to make sure she was ok. (all wearing masks to prevent the spread). Vaccination does NOT mean immunization; even the poison companies admit that (Research it). I feel very sorry for any parents that lose a child (including the many more from vaccines) and I would like to ask did any of the grandparents, aunts, uncles, or other family or friends get a shot before visiting the baby, thinking they were doing the right thing? Because they can be contagious with the live virus for around 28 days or more after. That is why many hospitals have specific rules for vaccinated visitors in areas where people have low immune systems (Research it). Did anyone ask THOSE questions instead of blaming those who choose not to vaccinate? Only a few weeks ago I went to the doctor for an infection and was prescribed an antibiotic and after taking only 1 tablet had 14 hours of horrific side effects, needless to say I went back to the doctor next day and got the script changed and had my medical records reflect the first drug that I am known to be allergic to. That was just 1 pill taken orally, just think what those poor little bodies go through when it is injected! If you CHOOSE to vaccinate that is your CHOICE but don’t go forcing your unscientific beliefs on those who CHOOSE not to vaccinate. Remember the harmless smoking & asbestos!
PS. herd or community immunity is BS! (Research it.)
Well done Dean
Baloney. Big pharma’s been leaving this Dr gifts!
For your information before you stereotype & make assumptions, I don’t own a vehicle, I grow my own vegetables & coffee, we are an experienced & highly educated team of professional doctors & healthcare professionals that travel worldwide & volunteer our time after natural disasters, I retired at 40, have been doing this without being paid or influenced by big Pharmas, most of it is funded out of my own pocket
I’m not buying that you are who you say you are as professionals know how to dispassionately listen before speaking objectively. Tell me if the new high priests of society, “medical practitioners” are so perfect why are there so many law suits currently sitting in Supreme Courts waiting hearing? Are they all just victims of vicious ‘serfs’ whom are disingenuous? Like all religions that adhere to dogma when challenged they become hysterical. Louis Pasteur’s pitiful story is at the top of google searches and he was a victim of your (if you are a doctor) fraternity too. Either way its very apparent that your a lonely “Troll” seeing himself as a silver knight fighting at the gate of camelot. Im embarrassed for you.
That’s amazing Gary all the work you have done in the past with helping people. Would you consider yourself an open minded person, questioning things you’ve always been taught. I wish you would open your mind to the possibility of what we’re saying could be true and do some research of your own before dismissing it. I don’t think anyone can dispute there is great risk with vaccines, I know of 3 people who have been seriously injured straight after their vaccine, 2 of them have never recovered. I feel sorry for their parents who say i just wish i could go back to that day and not have given the shot but it’s too late. I’m sure they would have much rather their kids contracted measles and built up immunity to it that’s what we have an immune system for, why in Australia are we so scared of germs and getting sick. If you were offered a glass to drink of these vaccines you’re happily injecting into babies would you drink it? MInd you you would only intake a small amount of metals versus taking it intravenously. Their are MP’s who admit kids have turned autistic virtually straight after there shot (i know it’s not the only cause) but the numbers have risen dramatically. To me, I would run to vaccinate my kids if i wasn’t so damn scared as i’ve seen all these possible side effects from the leaflet of the MMR vaccines, have you seen this the last thing i want is to hurt my kids.
What about free choice?
WHATS NEXT?
And did you help administer the tetanus vaccines that turned out to be deliberately laced with a drug that caused the recipients to become sterile? Bill Gates would be so proud – helping to reduce world overpopuation.
In that case Gary you may be interested in this video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhfD6MbL_8
Well what are you going to do when big Agriculture tells you you cant grow anything that is not GMO and then the government implements a new system where by they will fine you for growing things that are not legal just look at Western Australia you cannot grow blackberries there they get you through the Weed Act so it is possible I do not know if you are a doctor or not and it doesn’t matter the argument is once the state has the right to mandatory impose immunization on you, you are effectively opening the floodgates to say that the state owns your body and will allow worse laws in the future just like the 17 yr old in America who was held down and forced Chemotherapy because the doctor was not happy with the choices made by her and her mother after careful research
Only because you are a doctor doesn’t mean that you are 100% right. Lately I have came to conclusion that less doctors you see the better. There are not that many good doctors out there…..How about health risks vaccine can do to children’s nervous system. How about those children that have become permanently disabled from vaccines its like being dead anyway and don’t tell there is no evidence. Ask those families who’s children now need full time care for rest of they lives. Sad that money rules the world because that what it is money, pharmaceutical companies lobby in government and narrow minded doctors who think they can just say they are a Dr. and that’s all that matters.
Gary ! If your children are vaccinated, then why in the hell you worry about not vaccinated children ?? Your children have immunity due to being vaccinated, Right ?? So they cannot get disease from children not vaccinated. Right ? They are safe due to the vaccination that you have given to them!
So MIND YOUR OWN BLOODY BUSINESS ! & TAKE YOUR SCHNOUT OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE BUSINESS . BLOODY NAZI-GESTAPO P.O.S. !
Just because your a doctor does not make you know every thing. If it is so bad we would all be dead, if we can live for thousands of years with out them I’m sure we can live thousands more.
Here here, we have managed quite well so far. There was almost NO SIDS until vaccinations of babies, and now look at the horrific rate.
Is suppose if your a Kenyan female, vaccination save kids being sick in the longrun since recently the Tetnus vaccination program vaccines were contaminated and STERILISED and forced fetal abortions on an estimated 500,000 females. https://thisisafrica.me/500000-kenyan-women-sterilized/
I work with a young lady who told me both her parents are doctors and will not let her get vaccinated. I was happy to hear this. I said to myself, now those are good doctors…hopefully, they don’t push them on the general population but I’m sure they do.
So what you’re saying is kids that do get immunised never get sick?
Gary if you really are a docter your a very uninformed one, pick up a few books and start reading. Start with the vacine history of switzerland.
What illnesses are you constantly seeing in such large numbers in your practice that are putting others lives at risk through lack of immunisation? I work in a large paediatric hospital and don’t see what you’re seeing, I do see massive amounts of cancer, diabetes, asthma, eczema, neurological disorders, seizures, hospital acquired infections and the list goes on
Why don’t you provide the proof behind this statement1
I am a neurosurgeon and I have seen what these draconian vaccines do to the brain.
Gary you and your wife need to go back to school and stop talking about things you don’t know & things you have haven’t learned.
hint : immunology and vaccinology are not the same.
The only reason you guys push these vaccines onto parents is because of the extra money you receive, and also because you know you will be fired by the big pharma if you dare to speak against it.
We all remember doctors like you and your wife and politician back in the seventies who were all about “na smoking doesn’t cause cancer, na nicotine is not addictive”. you don’t wanna be like them.
Gary I am wondering – what do you and your Dr wife do with patients that have had past adverse reactions that they cannot prove now? Or patients that have Graves Disease and who have strong responses to allopathic medicines ? And who are vegan partly because they need to be due to not handling animal products well, but also for the sake of not eating or taking in carcass parts into their system – in other words, it is abhorrent to them? Or patients who have had food allergies as a response to being vaccinated? Do you refuse them a certificate of exemption?
I am also a little baffled and hope you can clear this up for me. If an unvaccinated person does not have a disease, how are they putting others at risk? Many unvaccinated people are immune to measles, whooping cough, chicken pox and others – because they have had those diseases, survived them just fine and don’t catch them now. And if the vaccines give immunity to vaccinated people – how are they at risk – especially from an undiseased immune person?
And because it has been scientifically shown that vaccinated people shed from their vaccinations and are infectious during a time following their vaccinations, but are free to, and do, go into the community after their vaccinations without any isolation time – how could anyone be sure that it was a vaccinated person who infected someone? This is especially questionable when we consider that most of the spread of measles in Disneyland seems to have been a strain that only comes from vaccinations.
And as I understand it, Australia is over 90% vaccinated. Is this so? I understand there is this idea in herd immunity – and that is said to be between 90% and 98% to work. So by this thinking, isn’t Australia already in that?
What else I find baffling is that many doctors, medical professionals and specialists will not vaccinate their families. Why would that be? And why would the most wealthy and best educated be in the majority who do not vaccinate? You do realise it is not the most disadvantaged who don’t vaccinate? But it is only the most disadvantaged that the government policies will adversely effect. And why would the most not vaccinating, ie the most wealthy not be targetted by the most recent proposed bill? They aren’t targetted at all. They can afford to home or private school their children and they don’t need to vaccinate and they don’t need the public money. Is there some kind of belief that only those on low income can get any infectious disease and spread it around? Is there any proof of that?
And that’s why they (medical and pharmaceutical establishment) are pushing it so hard, because they are missing out on more profits.
If non vax loose benefits, does that mean we also get a tax cut!? Or are we expected to pay for healthcare of the vaccinated and all the problems that come along with it?
Absolutely agreed, Criddle. If a government can opt not to pay benefits to families otherwise entitled because these people won’t undergo a particular medical procedure, then taxpayers can likewise opt not to pay tax to a government who tries to bribe poorer families to undergo the same procedure.
Who is the Minister for Taxation? Let’s see how long vaccination will last in a free market economy (hint: about as long as snake-oil).
Gary,
If the government was fair dinkum they would also be increasing taxes and/or taking away medicare benefits of the rest of the population who do not need welfare to survive who do not immunise their children. However, they feel it is right to disadvantage only the families who cannot survive without those payments. This is a sign of a cruel, heartless government who will make public policy anything that appears popular to win votes.
Despite what you think about immunisation, whether you are pro or against this policy, this is not the correct way of going about increasing vaccination levels. This is mean and heartless and will only lead to the opposite to what you seek in the long run.
People are not stupid. This feels wrong and underhanded, because it is.
Totally agree with you Jodie. Our family hardly see GPs. Out kids would have normal sickness of 24-48 hours bug but they bounce back pretty quick. We have got 4 kids and one 1 income household and homeshcooling so this ridiculous law could affect us a lot.
Ok Let’s start with an easy one.
The eradication of smallpox. There has been no cases of smallpox world wide since 1977. The only case since the. Was due to a laboratory accident.
https://www.who.int/csr/disease/smallpox/en/
Hmm how did this happen ?
Could it have been vaccines ?
Next let’s look at Polio.
The history of poliomyelitis (polio) infections extends into prehistory. Although major polio epidemics were unknown before the 20th century,[1] the disease has caused paralysis and death for much of human history. Over millennia, polio survived quietly as an endemic pathogen until the 1900s when major epidemics began to occur in Europe;[1] soon after, widespread epidemics appeared in the United States. By 1910, frequent epidemics became regular events throughout the developed world, primarily in cities during the summer months. At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year.[2]
The fear and the collective response to these epidemics would give rise to extraordinary public reaction and mobilization; spurring the development of new methods to prevent and treat the disease, and revolutionizing medical philanthropy. Although the development of two polio vaccines has eradicated poliomyelitis in all but four countries, the legacy of poliomyelitis remains, in the development of modern rehabilitation therapy, and in the rise of disability rights movements worldwide.
So eradicated in all but 4 countries.
Deaths reduced from over half a million people a year reduced to 416 cases in 2013.
Hmm how did this happen ?
Could maybe vaccines have something to do with it ?
I could go on and on here.
If you have any doubt that vaccines have been a blessing to our civilisation then you really have no ability for critical thinking and intelligible thought.
I can imagine the thousands of people dreaming of a polio vaccine while they watched their children suffer.
Everyday in Australia between 800 to a 1000 children are born, over 90% will be vaccinated with zero negative effects. The great thing here is they gain a much stronger immunity to these terrible afflictions.
Do you feel the world would be a better place if vaccines were never made ?
Let’s use a recent outbreak of Ebola. Should we have not bothered to try make a vaccine and just say NO ?
It’s so easy for people living in Australia to sit back and enjoy herd immunity and not see these tragedies with their own eyes.
I was honestly shocked reading these comments, the conspiracy theories are down right ridiculous.
We have 50 years of peer reviewed medical studies.
Stop believing uneducated imbeciles on the Internet and actually read some peer reviewed medical journals.
In the end I am probably wasting my time here, but alas enjoy losing your government assistance which over 70% of Australians agree with. So you have lost this one.
Now I can only hope they make it mandatory for children going to school to be vaccinated.
Correlation doesn’t equal causation now, does it? Where is your evidence. We have government data demonstrating definitively that the smallpox vaccine not only did not cause the eradication of smallpox but most likely set that eradication back by over 100 years. Please use science in your arguments – you have yet to do so.
If you think that majority vote is akin to truth and justice reigning then perhaps there is a lack of critical thinking here. The issue here is that the parental freedom to make health choices that are in the best interest of ONE’s OWN CHILDREN (that we have have enjoyed in this so called democratic country thus far) is being eroded and replaced with government dictatorship. That is called COMMUNISM.
This is only the start. Believe me, this will cascade into a landslide of democratic rights being annihilated and eventually it will rob YOU of a right that was very important to you.
Try to look past the bias of your personal opinion and see the bigger picture. Heard immunity might be ideal, but we are not cattle. We are individual human beings, with varying health, financial, personal and social statuses. What’s good for the goose may not be good for the gander. The important thing is that as human beings we should be entitled to exercise the right to live as individuals and each individual as precious as the next. Not forced to exist under a maxim of ‘sacrifice the few for the many’. Or we may aswell be cattle!!!
You were arguing reasonably (albeit wrongly) until you mentioned the fictitious “herd immunity” (gotta hand it to Big Pharmas PR for that one). Then there’s the wonderful peer SCEWED reviews which are so often found to be written by those with a conflict of interest or unexplained soaring bank balances etc etc etc. better luck next time. You see those of us who don’t want vaccination have NO financial gain incentives.
>>> “Non Vaccinated kids cost the government less in the long run”
It depends whether campaign and party donations from big-pharma (and foundations and private entities they control/team with through networking) count as a ‘cost’ to the Government, and then of course whether the word ‘Government’ is applied to the party franchise, or the collective tax payer.
The main objection people should have in this case, is that it unconstitutionally exploits the low income family, whereas the high income family is not affected, meaning it is class-discriminatory. Whether a person who agrees with this policy based on their own desire to impose their will on others is irrelevant, because legally this particular attack on previous rights under the constitution and common law is class-discriminatory, and the legislation is the trigger for a challenge. Tax exemptions cannot constitutionally be linked to a class-discriminatory policy, because it removes equality from the Constitution based on statute.
If this law passes, it will be a landmark case in Australian Constitutional Law, and if upheld, could be a dangerous precedent for applying what amounts to a fascist Archimedes lever for using the power to tax (and exempt; legally peas-in-a-pod) to discriminate based on class. ie, ‘you’re poor and I will tax your income down to below subsistence, and then grant you some of it back if you do what I say’; a request that a higher class person does not have to beg for in order to feed their own children.
For instance; If driving a car in a major city area, was deemed as increasing public health risks due to particulate matter increases, could the power to tax (ie, the right to get an exemption), be used to penalize low income families and make them use public transport or walk/ride, whilst rich people who drive in limousines are never affected, and the city streets are cleared of the peasant class so that limousines and super wealthy people also spend less time in traffic?
This might seem like a ridiculous example, but legally, it is not, it is actually the same exact flavor of unconstitutional discrimination based on class, because family tax exemptions have a major affect on the lower class families’ ability to stay solvent, and a negligible affect on the upper class (it’s a bit like, ‘let them eat cake’).
I say, I hope this legislation actually passes, so that this case can go to the supreme court, and we can finally get an answer on the state of our so called ‘constitutional’ system as applies to true equality. It is about time that the lower classes in this country wake up and get angry that they have been discriminated upon incrementally, and that it now applies to their children. This is the Rubicon moment in my opinion. Either the wealthy are forced to be on the same vaccine register and equality is truly that, or the fascists back off right now! Watch how quick the issue would be dropped by the duopolistic body politik and their pseudo-corporate structure if it was struck down by the court, and the advice of the magistracy dictated that imposition of mandatory vaccines must also apply equally to the directors on the board of the big-pharma and big-business fat cats and their children.
Vive La Revolution??? Bring it! As far as I’m concerned, the ‘greater good’ is not to be determined based on a persons position in the class structure, and if it ever is deemed so even by the Supreme Court, then Wat Tyler needs to be resurrected quick smart and in a hurry.
aamichael666,
Your suggestion of legal action at the appropriate time may indeed be the best way of defeating the problem. After all they know exactly what we know about vaccines so they are embarking on a completely unjustified mission – to force ALL children to be vaccinated according to THEIR schedule.
Exactly !!
My kids are three and one, un-vaxed, and are healthier and better developed than their peers, who get sick and have allergies. I was not originally opposed to vaccines, I just insisted on thoroughly discussing the matter with anyone who suggested them. The general response of “don’t think about it, just do it” rang alarm bells and got me reading. No amount of money will make me vaccinate my kids. Why doesn’t the government just take the stats on all lifetime maladies for the un-vaxed kids versus the rest of them … and then they can prove that we are wrong, end of discussion.
well said , the figures don’t lie now we have 1 in 68 for autism, 1 in 5,000 in 1975 and the projected figures for 2030 1 in 2 and seeing it costs $70,000 per year to care for an autistic child its a no brainer .
Vaccines don’t cause Autism, the founder of this claim was charged due to falsified journals.
Your statistics are nicely cherry picked without reading the article, that was talking about a state in the US.
The global percentile is 1%.
You also have to take into account the diagnosis for Autism has increased due the education of doctors.
The statistics were lower in early medicine due to being misdiagnosed as other illnesses.
There is NO direct correlation between Vacinnes and Austism. Please stop spreading these falsifications.
Again, you are completely wrong. Look up Hannah Poling, Bailey Banks and the cases in Italy where vaccines were directly implicated in the child’s vaccine and subsequent compensation payments. And Andrew Wakefield is very close to being exonerated (if there is any justice in the world). One of his co-authors already was. Look up John Walker-Smith and the High Court in the UK.
You need to stop cherry picking yourself. More than 100 articles have been published since 1998 that implicate vaccines in the development of autism and developmental brain disorders. You have got to stop making such ignorant comments and become better-informed. Also, the connection between autism and vaccination predates Wakefield by over 70 years – since well before there was even a name for the disorder and it was simply called post-vaccinal encephalitis.
Thank you Meryl ANYONE who is sincere would have done their research & know that this charge against Dr Wakefield and associates is no longer valid.
You don’t need to read articles about it. You just need to know someone who had a healthy, walking, talking, normal child and then after the MMR shot, deteriorated into a child with classic Autistic expression.
The reason that the stats don’t support these occurrences is because the majority of the mainstream medical profession will not acknowledge and therefore register the negative reaction as such.
Plain and simple.
Please don’t tell the countless parents out there that this has happened to, that they are mistaken in their awareness of such significant and horrific changes in the development and demeanour of their child becoming obviously apparent at the same time that their child’s vaccinations were administered. It is both extremely heartless and alarmingly arrogant.
First hand knowledge is always the most reliable source of information. People and powers will always try to obscure the truth for vested (at times even possibly well intentioned) interests.
It is always important that hard evidence is taken from societal reality and not from either a non- double blind lab report, media article or statistician’s laptop.
There are current research studies linking vaccination with autism when the child inherits mother’s poor gut flora. So not directly the vaccination – autism link however if the vaccination wasn’t introduced then the child wouldn’t have likely developed autism. Therefore the vaccination was the catalyst to the autism even though not directly correlated
Well, at the turn of last century prior to vaccines, the life expectancy was 47, that has been raised to 77 years of age.
That was also before people knew what a germ was, and before the invention of penicillin, in fact many households did not even have had proper running water then, especially in rural areas. Not forgetting that there was much less urbanisation then. Nor did people have refrigerators. And were not very aware of mosquito borne diseases etc., the list goes on and on. Not to say that no vaccines ever did any good, but let’s not claim the opposite either
do you have any other statement???
Perhaps this might make one think then.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572
Let’s see an independent study on vaccinated v unvaccinated by a non Government independent body. I heard Professor Peter Macintyre (Westmead Childrens) say on the Sunday program years ago that he would like to see one too.
What did Hippocrates say,
“First, do no harm”
It’s about time the government made this decision, children that are NOT immunised are putting my children’s life at risk, think of all the illegal immigrants that come into the country, we don’t know what their children have, children in Maleny have one of the lowest immunisation rates in the country, yet there is an outbreak of whooping cough which can kill, we pulled our children out of the council run swimming school because they don’t screen children and disallow children that are not immunised
Dear Gary how can your children’s lives be at risk? They have been VACCINATED and vaccinations work , right? Or dont’ they? If they work, they work, and there is no way they can be in any danger unless you bring something home from your heroic international missions that they havn’t been vaccinated for. Just because you’ve had the shots for those terrible overseas diseases doesn’t mean you can’t CARRY it to your family.
Your unvaccinated children place my child at risk because he is too young to be vaccinated.
Simple.
No is winning on the poll. That’s fantastic given that apparently it’s the minority 🙂
Mr Abbott, If there is a risk of any sort there must be a choice. Parents have made their choice because of a reason, I am not anti vaccine i am pro safe vaccine but i know they are not as safe as they claim to be as I know personally of 3 family members and close friends who were severely affected right after their vaccination, and for some reason the media is hiding this information from the public.
It’s not just the media hiding the risks, the reports of the side effects are just not going in as the doctors, for whatever reason, would rather not think about them.
I have seen two instances now, kids of friends of family, where doctors have refused to consider that side effects that occurred might have something to with the vaccination.
The first was for 18 month old in China who got a meningitis shot, within 2 days started convulsing amongst several other symptoms, all listed side effects on the manufacturers pamphlet. But the doctors said it must be an infection from a small ulcer in the child’s mouth.
Ok we can write that off as China, but same in Hong Kong, with western educated doctors and U.S./UK imported vaxes, 18 month old kid came down 40+ degree fever, textbook chickenpox rash and mouth ulcers two hours after a chickenpox infection, very bad and they feared for her life.
But despite these symptoms being listed in the manufacturers product insert, the doctors came out with every other possible theory of being infected with another disease, went through the whole list including hand/foot/mouth.
For some strange reason, they could not bring themselves to admit it might *possibly* have something to do with the vaccine the kid had just two hours before the onset of symptoms. That ain’t science, folks.
Those might be just two anecdotes, but they are just the two I personally know people it happened to, I won’t quote the ones I just read about. I reckon whatever the official side effects rate stats are, multiple by twenty and you might be coming close to some real numbers that you can use when comparing the risks.
Does anyone else know someone personally whose doctors have refused to acknowledge a side effect?
Prior to the chicken pox vaccination, 11,000 people were hospitalised & 100 people died from chicken pox, this is FACT! One person having side effects is better than people that die & infect thousands from it
Even if it will be YOUR child? I doubt it.
11,000 ever? Or in a specific time frame? At least in Australia, according to health.gov.au, there “There has been an average of 3-4 deaths each year since 1980” in Australia including adults. Compare this to 266 drowning deaths nationally in 2014, 81% involved in alcohol.
Perhaps we’d do better to turn our efforts towards educating our kids, rather than injecting them with vaccines that will give much less ROI
1) https://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-pubs-cdi-2002-cdi2604-htm-cdi2604o.htm
2) https://www.news.com.au/national/the-royal-life-saving-national-drowning-report-2014-makes-surprising-findings/story-fncynjr2-1227075316514
Umm in what country/ies were these deaths and 11,000 hospitalisations? Were they otherwise healthy and living in typical modern, western environments? Or in poor health in 3rd world conditions?
You wouldn’t say that if it were you child being sacrificed!
Chickenpox has a 7 days before you see any symptoms. Two hours is definitely not enough.
good point. Tamhas, To see children (and the rest of the family) denied a normal life because of vaccinations that were not suitable for them i.e is causing brain damage.
I don’t believe the government have the right to make this decision mandatory
Ms. Maybury has just inadvertently highlighted one of the real issues at hand. The first relates to financial incentive, both of the government and medical practitioners. As usual, we are following the US in relation to their lack of ethics and control over the populous. We have already seen many cases where much loved and cared for children have been legally kidnapped in order to force questionable treatement plans upon them. Afterall, there are huge funds tied up in our sick (lack-of-care) industry. For those not familiar with the case of poor, dear Sarah Westley, we recommend reading the book, ‘Sarah’s Last Wish’ which is without question ‘a chilling glimpse into forced medicine.’ (Author, Eve Hillary.) At the end of the day, the real issue here is not about legitimate health concerns, it is about public control. As a wise person once said, “Follow the money!”
My sister related your dialogue to me only yesterday. My friend’s daughter suffered epileptic fits after vaccine so the Dr suggested against anymore for she & her sibling. Past local Dr of Kew advised me that he & his wife believed that their daughter’s rare kidney disease was post-hepatitus vaccine. Her face was swollen and red. We were at thw Emergency dept @ the children’s hospital. Another friend’s son suffers with autism post-vaccine. Another mostly lifeless we had to assist moving infants limbs for exercise. A tragedy. One acquaintances niece died. My son was accidentally vaccibated once @3 months. I went to Dr I had worked with years before just for discussion. Without warning he quickly took vaccine out of the box and jabbed my son’s leg. I was in a traumatized state. He got asthma post-vaccine and has caused a lot of stress. On the flap of the box thereafter there was a danger warning of which there was no discussion
What they are intending to do is just plain Discrimination, How can they do this to only people on benefits, knowing those families will not survive without the extra money …so its blackmail…..Do it or go hungry ….If they are going to do something so drastic it should be all…..But that would never happen and they know it…what about the adult carriers, elderly and foreign tourists
who have never been vaccinated….people cant confine their children to daycare………….its so dumb are they never going to take their child on a plane or to the shopping center etc etc …..this is so wrong on many levels. Will abbot and the doctors give written assurance that any harm or injury will be compensated ….dont think so ………….This sickens Me
Discrimination? What about the children that are vaccinated that your non- vaccinated children a putting at risk? You won’t take the government vaccinations that will help protect your children, yet you’ll take the government handouts via benefits
Gary, to state the bleeding obvious, if the unvaccinated can place the vaccinated at risk, then the vaccines aren’t working, are they? Are you really a doctor?
Interesting point. When unvaccinated children are playing at school or play center in the sandpit with vaccinated children they are receiving the Polio vaccine. Oral vaccines are distributed through the skins and through the environment. Thats how they work. Just develop all vaccines this way and everyone will end up vaccinated anyway.
They do not pose a risk a vaccinated kids. They pose a risk to the kids that could not be vaccinated due to legitimate medical reasons such as leukaemia.
Your kids also pose a threat to young children who have not had all their vaccines.
But let’s throw this out here. If everyone adopted your views and everyone stopped vaccinations.
You would not be able to enjoy your heard immunity.
As soon as an infection occurs and kids start to die as they did in the 1940’s and 1950’s, over 500,000 a year due to polio. Will you then wish for a vaccine ?
Education over ignorance.
I for one support this move by Abbot, it’s the only thing I have ever supported Abbot on.
No, that is not correct. Healthy people are not a risk to anyone else. But the recently vaccinated can and do transmit the viruses they’ve just received to others for up to 90 day after vaccination. And this information is in the package inserts of the live virus vaccines, telling them specifically to stay away from the immunocompromised and cancer sufferers for that reason. So if you are truly concerned about protecting the health of those who are fragile and immunocompromised, pressure the government to require those who get live virus vaccines to stay in quarantine for 90 days afterwards.
And I agree – education over ignorance every time. So please become better educated on this issue.
500,000 in a year? What year was that, please?
Gary, let’s deconstruct your argument. 1) kids who get vaccinated won’t get diseases. 2) kids who don’t get vaccinated will get diseases.
3) kids who got vaccinated will get diseases from the kids who didn’t.
So again, the kids who are not vaccinated can catch diseases, so they should be vaccinated to protect the kids who are vaccinated and can’t catch diseases.
Is that your argument or am I missing something?
I think your summary sounded very much like what Gary was saying. Gary?
Oh; so vaccination actually doesn’t work? If vaccination worked then the vaccinated shouldn’t be scared of the unvacc. Plus where is your evidence to show that vaccination actually protects children? If you really are a doctor; then use your brain. ..
‘Gary’ claims he is a retired doctor who is doing all this great charitable work out of the deepest kindness of his heart — yet… he cannot cough up a single valid response as to why unvaccinated children put his vaccinated children ‘at risk’… If your kids are vaccinated Gary, they are deemed ‘safe’ from disease are they not ?? So what is your problem? Give us the reason you are so terrified of unvaccinated children? Your kids are ‘safe’ aren’t they Gary? The vaccines work don’t they? Don’t they???? Well?? Answer this single question.
Then, out of the goodness of your heart Gary, are you willing to put your ‘reputation’ on the line and guarantee that every single child who receives the multiple mixtures of vaccine ingredients – so many in a single year, at a time their bodies are developing – will not be damaged in any manner at all…. ?? Well? Put your personal money where your mouth is; as you are risking our personal children’s lives.
And yes, I’m sure there are many who take offense at having being pushed an agenda that the government we vote for, using our money, who decides without our input (as if we have no intelligence, no capacity to research, no education, and will be just happy to go along with the propaganda line that everything the government does is good for us); about an agenda that we didnt vote for, that might cripple or maim our children. Grow up Gary – people are not that stupid, ill informed, uneducated or badly behaved. Your immature, unkind and simply below the belt ignorant comment, “Go back to smoking your bong, hippy” is sheer desperation on your behalf. Sorrry, but you stooped so low to tarr someone you don’t know, with a brush that is distinctly cowardly and a disgrace in 2015.
You represent a person who has no ethics, just money, status and bully-boy tactics.
Sure, there will always be children that will contract a disease and die. But.. let the parents deal with the grief and conscience for the rest of their lives – their CHOICE. NOWHERE does a government grieve anywhere in the world for a single vaccine injury or death. Yet they are happy to jab the needles multiple times into our kids bodies with a cocktail of chemicals – some that are not meant to be put into a machine let alone a body – and let us deal with the consequences of their reactions from a mandatory forced action – that is called nothing less than a dictatorship. Gary: are you a dictator?
So what you are saying is that it’s ok for 27 people to try to discredit or belittle me on here (including yourself by saying “Gary claims to be a doctor”) but it’s not ok for me to drop down to their levels. And yes, my children are safe, that isn’t an issue, and yes, once I’m on my laptop & not my phone, yes, I will try to respond in a civil, unbiased debate (which I haven’t seen any evidence from most on here) but I have a life and have little time to respond, you all seem to have plenty of time every minute to be on here.
And if you watch 60 minutes in Australia, you would of seen a small segment on us in 2009.
And I’m not all about the money, yet this organisation is as they want you to “donate” & I’ll use that term loosely, to their “cause”.
Furthermore, it’s not just this government, its also the opposition that is in favour of compulsory vaccination, but you should know this if you’re commenting. Keep your negative comments unless you have something to substantiate what you are saying off here.
What have you contributed to society Jay M?
Just wondering though – who’s left to vote for at the next election? Liberals, Labor & Greens all support this move.
No-one! They all have the same handlers. The different colour flags they wave about are just to give the happy slaves the illusion of choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsL6mKxtOlQ
Hear Hear
The Supreme Court is the only force in the country who can strike down this fascist move that discriminates based on class. All three of these political parties are pseudo-corporate structures themselves, so unfortunately, the lawyers are the last defense, and if that fails then a mass uprising is the next defense, but of course the MSM induced herd mentality would prevent an uprising. Basically, if the Supreme Court challenge (which will definitely happen), is struck down, then it is time to start looking for another country unfortunately, and the list of countries independent of the global corporatocracy is getting slimmer.
Fascism does not discriminate between class. The Fascists had strict controls in place to keep big corporations in line even to the point that Woolworths were banned on many occasions from opening new stores that might jeopardize local/small businesses. Only a certain amount of chain stores were allowed in a given area.
The West is run by P.C, leftist liberals who ban, jail and ostracize anything that even remotely resembles the right-wing.
Green is the new Red. Are you Reddy for the collectivisation period that lies ahead?
In the terrible times that lay ahead many are going to realize they backed the wrong horse.
I have just rang both offices and while the lady at Abbots office listened the man at Shortens office was rude and condescending beyond what someone in public office should be saying…..He said Quote “Its EVERY health care professional in Australia that wants this……what a dame right lie…Oh my everyone needs to ring shortens office
I have rung them all, all their phones are manned by a bunch of condescending kids who imagine themselves as one day becoming a condescending prime minister.
Why am I not surprised? But I believe that they will be less condescending when they have to speak with 100 or 500 people all telling them the same thing – I do NOT support the No Jab, No Pay policy and I DO support freedom of health choice in Australia and will be voting accordingly. Thank you for taking this action – I hope many, many others will do the same!
Yes when I wrote to say I don’t agree with the plan to cut homoeopathy of private health rebates; I was speechless at the childish ignorant letter I received. I was thinking s***; we’re in trouble if this is the type people leading our country!!
oh yes we are deep in a oligarchy
I am a health professional and I do not support any of this on many levels.
I am a health care professional and I DO NOT want this AT ALL!!!!! How dare they speak for me and some of my other colleagues.
There is a double edged sword here. Once the government force a section of the population to do something then they therefore legally take full responsibility for the outcomes of that thing. Of course, the govt will say that there is a choice, but not really. The choice is between poverty and protecting your child or receiving benefits and risking your child’s health.
Given that the majority of those who choose not to vaccinate are educated and the group they are targeting on benefits would only make an approximate 1% change to the rates of vaccination, you have to question the seriousness that the government is approaching this with.
Whatever scheme is introduced must affect the entire population and not just a vulnerable section of it who will effectively have a choice between poverty and health risk of their children.
I’ll be interested to see the reaction of the pro-vaccine camp when mandatory adult vaccine schedules are introduced. It’s a different story when adults start making adverse reaction reports as opposed to kids whose parents can be convinced of other causes.
Where is the online petition please?
This could be just a desperate attempt to save money.
Thanks for the question. The petition can be found here – https://www.change.org/p/minister-scott-morrison-don-t-punish-parents-for-making-an-informed-choice-about-their-children-s-health-all-parents-deserve-to-make-an-uncoerced-choice?just_created=true
It is illegal under the Australian constitution for a Religion to have to register its intentions!
116:The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any
religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for
prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test
shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust
They can not make a religious based opposer register their opposal via a registered religion. My religious belief is based on sola scriptura the bible and the bible only and I do not and will not be counted by a “registered” religious “organization!!!
Spot on Rose, I too have the same belief and think it is ludicrous that they can do this.
I agree with AVN mostly but do not agree with the section in the letter to Scott Morrison signed by Tasha David which states “Without a compensation scheme, there should be no mandate”. I think we should be careful what we ask for – most would agree the compensation scheme that America is woeful.
Crazy, totalitarian stuff. A direct assault on the individuals rights. State mandated, physical violation of the person. This very same individual who has been bought out by evil, corrupt corporations can be seen here in an interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ9y1c73-IM
He comes across as totally unbalanced and unhinged. What a psycho!
His friends seem a nice company though:
https://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/88922/gsk-fined-over-vaccine-trials-14–babies-reported-dead
What parent wouldn’t want their children injected with this lots filthy swill?
My son is 11 years old non vaccinated since 4 months old. Thank god I found the information on the risks. I knew something was up after his 4 month vaccine! my baby was hysterically crying in absolute pain the next day but the hospital sent me home just giving my son a panadol!! The doage was given in an area just off the waiting area…..no medical testing…no health exam on a screaming crying 4 month baby, will never forget this experience….I was sent home and my son was still crying. I was just very fortunate that I found a leaflet with information of whats in those vaccines and started reading up on it that I realise what the vaccines risks are. Now the government wants to make parents vaccinate babies and children without being made fully aware of the risks! By financially putting pressure on parents is a very tactical way of 1. saving money 2. putting pressue on parents. Whats next. No school enrolment I have heard on TV interview today from a spokesperson for pro vaccine they would like to see that happen, then whats next after that no employment. Seems like its bordering discrimination on kids. As adults we dont ostracise people so why are kids being targeted.
I would be interested to know whether any sort of class action or similar process can be brought against the government to determine the validity of their claims around vaccination effectiveness and safety, and or proposed legislation in the format proposed. Surely this needs to be challenged in the highest court of law in the land. This is the only way the now global facts can be tabled and considered and I would suggest at a minimum their would be a judgement stating the government would be liable for any negative outcomes attributed to vaccinations under this proposed legislation. Perhaps then the government/s will stop and think about the negative consequences to themselves, as the premise of their argument today is based on a very one sided cost benefit analysis. Their interest is to keep the ‘herd’ out of Medicare. The potential risk to the individual is known by the government but not considered as no financial responsibility has not been attributed to the government for future claims brought against them. I do wonder what dollar amount a court would attribute to a claim brought against a negative outcome due to a forced government vaccination. I would think it would be high, very high, and perhaps then the cost benefit analysis wouldn’t be so one sided.
I am an early childhood educator, and the majority of children in my care have all conscientious objections to being fully vaccinated. These are such healthy and well cared for children! The parents choosing Health – good nutrition, warmth, and love, over vaccines. What is interesting to me, is that as well as a push for vaccines, the current government is also wanting to push parents back into the workforce earlier and earlier. Do they not realise that families will not be able to afford childcare if the family tax benefit and child care benefits are taken away?
This is the key to decreasing childhood sickness rates. Good nutrition is not found in the middle aisles of any supermarket (that;s just a saying – but really – any good nutrition in Coco Pops or Fruit loops for breakfast ?)
Reduce payments to parents who smoke and drink, who eat fast food and who don’t exercise.
Changing to focus of Medicare from “fixing the sick” to “preventing the sick” is a much better idea. Provide subsidies for Gyms, Yoga, Sports etc and the burden can be taken away from Medicare.
My opinion – no proof, no facts, but 5 healthy well adjusted children who don’t see a doctor.
You all talk about freedom of choice, yet all my comments contradicting your conspiracy theories have been removed
Gary – there is 1 (one) person moderating all comments on this page and i have been doing without much sleep for the past 2 days. I apologise if your contributions were not moderated quickly enough for you but I’m just doing the best I can.
I do apologise Greg, thank you for posting my posts
Hi Gary, I don’t believe the mods here would delete your comments. I never would. It’s good you’re coming and reading the site, and as long as you have constructive comments, and information to share, I think you would be welcome to keep commenting.
And thank you, we are a small group of highly professional and well educated doctors & healthcare workers that travel worldwide after natural disasters & yes, we do immunise a lot of people but we are non profit, I retired at 40, so for the past 7 years I have not earned a cent, most of it has been funded out of my own pocket, I don’t own a car & I grow my own vegetables & coffee without harmful pesticides, I do know what I’m putting into my & my children’s bodies are beneficial for them, we are NOT influenced by any companies or paid to move their products
Excuse me Gary, the government and big corps like Monsanto tell us that pesticide and herbicide residues on fruits and vegetables sold in shops are next to nothing, and do us no harm whatsoever. So why grow your own?
Sounds like you don’t believe what the government and Monsanto are telling you. So you are a conspiracy theorist after all. Join the club.
The media induced term ‘conspiracy theories’ gives you away I’m afraid. By the way, it is also losing its effect as it has been violently overused.
I strongly support Mark’s suggestion that a class action be lodged. Giving a parent a Family benefit for a child and then, belatedly, threatening to remove it if the parents do not comply to a medical requirement is reprehensible and smacks of totalitarianism by the State.
Gary, twice in two posts you have made the very same error of grammar and thus, to some extent forfeit some of your credibility.
The word that is short for “you are” is “you’re” and not “your”.
Apart from that there are already several very good posts here in favour of non-vaccination.
Non-vaccination is one issue.
Forcing vaccination on children by threatening the withholding of a Family benefit already being received by a parent is outrageous totalitarian intimidation and is a completely different issue!
I might also venture that this blog is open to those who might be classified as government shills.
To be honest, Ken, I know that many very intelligent people are terrible spellers – especially in the younger generation since they were raised with spell check. And lots of people are also writing on mobile devices that change spelling almost at random – I’ve been caught that way myself.
So let’s concentrate on WHAT Gary says and not on HOW he says it.
Agreed. Even bad spelling and shocking grammar don’t make right wrong or wrong right. Lets not lower our arguments.
No, but for me personally I find it very uninspiring that a doctor (who should be well educated) is illiterate. Sadly, it is symptomatic of the general decline in standards in all spheres of our societies. This degenerate, bane of progress is obviously very welcome by the drug pushers who have simpletons to tout their wares.
I don’t suppose there is any point in asking him to read out the poison phial’s ingredients to me?
And again, don’t judge if you don’t know all the facts, it’s my phone that has prediction, and it’s not poison, they are designed to protect, after natural disasters have occurred, it’s airborne and water contaminated vaccines that protect as more people die AFTER the disaster, which I’ve been witness to, what have you contributed to society lately?
As you have nothing to contribute Shotgun, you have to resort to putting others down, and again you have commented without all the facts as I’m not a “drug pusher” as you put it, I’m not influenced by, or paid by anyone.
And yes, I’ve been using prediction on my phone & probably should be proof reading my comments before posting them, but you are all jumping to conclusions before you know all the facts, oh wait, just like not immunising your children, furthermore, yes, my 14 month old daughter has been immunised & that is MY choice, once you receive vaccines, it does take a while for your body to build up immunity, which puts her in danger from non- vaccinated children.
And, no, I don’t get kickbacks from big Pharmas, and it is your choice not to immunise your children at the moment, but immunisation does more good than harm, cars kill hundreds yearly, yet you are all happy to drive, bees kill more Australians than sharks & crocs combined, yet you don’t hear about that, look at the overall picture, not just your narrow minded views
Gary, the fact that you call vaccines ‘immunisations’ means to me that you are approaching this issue the wrong way.
Vaccines do not immunise – ever. That is why there are boosters and why the Australian government wants adults to get a shot every 5 years for life (in some cases). So calling them immunisations is a misnomer.
Also, have you ever taken the time to investigate how vaccines are supposed to work? The only measure of a vaccine’s success is the development of supposedly ‘protective levels’ of antibodies. These levels are completely arbitrary but let’s forget about that for the moment. Antibodies are only one part of the immune system and not even the most important part. Every day, our knowledge of the immune process increases and we know and have known for decades that the development of antibodies does not indicate protection – it simply means that you have been exposed. Hep B and HIV showed us this clearly and in fact, with HIV, the presence of antibodies indicates infection which should set off alarm bells in any thinking scientist’s mind.
So if antibodies don’t mean you are immune, and the ONLY thing antibodies are meant to do is induce the production of antibodies, how does that affect your view of the ability of vaccines to protect?
Australia is a democracy not an autocracy, your government (sadly) was elected to represent the people not reign over it. Of course parents have the right to make these decision for their children. Forced medication sounds like something out of 1940 Germany. There are extreme side affect associated with some vaccinations and some individuals, so the risk IS there and the emerging information about a link with autism is also a major concern. Unfortunately, any government taking counsel from pharmaceutical companies is never going to make unbiased decisions when such big dollars are at stake.
What is the fuss? If a child’s parents decide that they do not want their child to have vaccination they are the only ones to suffer should the child develop an illness, they can’t pass it on to children who have been vaccinated.
Before parents blindly elect to vaccinate their children do a bit of independent research and make sure you put you vote where it counts next election.
Anyone have any idea how much the various pharmaceutical companies have donated to the Laboral party in recent years? And how many blatant bribery pay-per-view audiences they have had with the legislators?
In the US, that sort of information needs to be made publicly available. Here in Australia, however, I don’t believe it is that easy to find out. But pharma companies do have to release their payments to doctors and those figures are sobering, to say the least. https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/
https://www.smh.com.au/national/names-of-doctors-who-accept-drug-payments-to-be-disclosed-under-accc-recommendation-20141017-117xdv.html
https://cms.gov/openpayments/
It’s not a vaccinate debate, it’s a human rights debate. Today it is vaccination who knows that they will be deciding what is best for us tomorrow. Next it could be forcing mothers to breastfeed for the WHO recommended 2-5 years. As formula fed babies are less likely to seroconvert (if at all) to their vaccines and are more likely to have many additional health consequences including increased morbidity and mortality from not being breastfed, thus putting more burden on the government and taxpayers and health systems? Are we going to provide serology testing for all children to ensure that they have seroconverted to their vaccines?
Hi Gary,
Hopefully everyone can agree to ignore everyone else’s typos from now. I have a few questions for you.
As a doctor who I assume is regularly vaccinating kids. which vaccines do you see most commonly have side effects? And do you think yourself and your colleauges are generally well-versed in what those side effects are? How many adverse reactions would you estimate you report in any given year?
Excellent questions, Tamhas! I too would be very interested to hear Gary’s answers.
Slightly difference is that I don’t vaccinate any children in Australia anymore, all our vaccinations are conducted in countries after natural disasters, mostly 3rd world countries, and of course there maybe side effects on a small minority of people but I’d rather be protected, than not, we’ve done tens of thousands over the last 7years with little to no reactions to the people, if you put a child in a car seat to protect it, that child may still get injured, yet you still want that protection. As stated before, more people die after natural disasters, vaccines help
Who are you to make that choice, Gary? Many parents, after doing research in primary medical journals, have decided that:
1- the effectiveness of vaccination is woefully inadequate; and
2- the safety profile is terrible.
So for them, the would not “rather be protected, than not”. In fact, their informed decision is that their unvaccinated children will be far healthier and less likely to contract really serious chronic conditions than their vaccinated peers. Conditions such as asthma, allergies, anaphylaxis, autism, ADD, ADHD, diabetes, cancer, etc. These are not uninformed conspiracy theories – these links are all listed on the vaccine package inserts and in the peer-reviewed medical literature.
So, whilst you are more than entitled to your ‘beliefs’, you are not at all entitled to foist those beliefs on those who are capable of making these decisions for themselves. What a shame many in developing countries don’t have access to the source literature so they can investigate these issues first. How incredibly immoral to be taking those choices away from them and calling their children who suffer from side effects, disabilities and perhaps even die “protected”. Protected from what? Put the money that is thrown at infectious diseases into clean water, good nutrition and hygienic living conditions and infectious diseases go away by themselves.
It happened in every single developed country well before the introduction of vaccines and antibiotics and it would happen in those other countries too if only vaccines weren’t so profitable. But there you go. And well-meaning doctors, nurses and other health professionals continue to stand on their ignorance because actually reading the literature, looking at this issue with an unbiased gaze or considering the ingredients of and theories behind how vaccines are supposed to work is far too challenging to their world view.
Fact, the life expectancy of people in the late 1800’s was in the early to mid 40’s,
The worlds population reached 1 billion in the mid- fifties, since the introduction of many vaccines around the same time, the worlds population has now reached 9 billion, and the average life for a female is now 81, mens is now 77.8, coincidence? No, medicines AND vaccines do MORE good than bad.
FACT Gary – we have no idea what the life expectancy of people was in the late 1800s because records were not kept. FACT – trying to extrapolate our best guess for life expectancy from a time when the majority of people in our developed countries were living in poverty, filth and without access to clean drinking water with the situation today is not an intelligent way to discuss this issue. Oh, and I forgot – FACT – in countries where the population has a long history of access to clean drinking water and adequate food (such as the Hunza region of the Himalayas and the Osaka region of Japan), they have regularly lived well into their 100s without diseases which we, in our rich developed nations, take for granted such as diabetes, cancer and heart disease. True FACT.
Why are children dying?
More than 30 million children are unimmunized either because vaccines are unavailable, because health services are poorly provided or inaccessible, or because families are uninformed or misinformed about when and why to bring their children for immunization.Pneumonia, diarrhoea, malaria, measles, HIV/AIDS and malnutrition are the primary killers of children in the developing world. These children die because they are poor, they do not have access to routine immunization or health services, their diets lack sufficient vitamin A and other essential micronutrients, and they live in circumstances that allow pathogens (disease-causing organisms) to thrive.
The possibility that children will become seriously ill or die depends largely on whether their immune systems can fight off infections. Malnutrition, combined with unsanitary or crowded conditions, makes them extremely vulnerable. Measles, for instance, rarely kills in industrial countries but can cause up to 40 per cent mortality among infected children in dire and overcrowded situations which may occur following earthquakes, floods or when populations are displaced by conflict.
A variety of pathogens – bacteria, viruses and parasites – are responsible for the major childhood diseases. Bacteria causes tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis and tuberculosis. Viruses cause polio and measles. A single-celled parasite causes malaria.
Measles, a viral respiratory infection, killed over 500,000 children in 2003, more than any other vaccine-preventable disease. The measles death toll in Africa is so high – every minute one child dies – that many mothers don’t give children real names until they have survived the disease. Measles weakens the immune system and renders children very susceptible to fatal complications from diarrhoea, pneumonia and malnutrition. Those that survive may suffer blindness, deafness or brain damage.
Tetanus, referred to in the Old Testament as the “seventh-day death,” killed an estimated 200,000 newborns and 30,000 mothers in 2001. The tetanus bacteria are ubiquitous – they live in soil, in animal dung and in feces. Tetanus can infect newborns if the umbilical cord is cut with unsterile instruments or the incision treated with contaminated dressings.
In acute respiratory infections such as diphtheria or pertussis, bacteria can attack the lungs or bronchial tubes, causing chronic coughs, pneumonia and breathing difficulties. Pertussis – also known as whooping cough – kills about 300,000 children a year, while a third respiratory infection, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) pneumonia kills about 500,000.
“In cases like Afghanistan with a combination of conflict and prolonged drought, the coping mechanisms of children have dwindled. They are malnourished; they suffer from a variety of illnesses. If they have a bout of measles, the fatality rates will be high.” – Deputy Director, UNICEF Supply Division, Shamsul Farooq, former Senior Programme Officer in the Humanitarian Response Unit.
Polio, a viral infection of the nervous system, can cause crippling paralysis within hours. Significant progress has been made towards eradicating the disease, but it remains a serious threat to children in areas where the wild poliovirus still circulates. The number of cases worldwide dropped from 350,000 in 1988 to under 1,300 in 2004.
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib), prevalent mainly in developing countries, is estimated to cause approximately 3 million cases of serious disease and kills about 450,000 children every year. Most children die from pneumonia and a minority from meningitis. In developing countries about 40% of Hib meningitis cases are fatal, and 15-35% of children who survive are left with permanent disabilities. Despite gradual uptake of the Hib vaccine in developing countries, in 2001, only one in five children worldwide were immunized against Hib during the first year of life.
Rotavirus, a pervasive wheel-shaped virus, is a leading cause of severe diarrhoea in infants and young children, particularly in the developing world. Currently, there is no vaccine approved for the disease, which kills 600,000 children under five each year.
Hepatitis B virus infects many infants and children – more than 2 billion people have been infected with the virus at some point, and an estimated 350 million are lifelong carriers. However, most don’t develop the clinical disease until several decades later when the virus can cause inflammation of the liver and lead to cirrhosis or liver cancer.
Yellow fever, a viral disease that occurs primarily in tropical and subtropical areas of Africa and South America, kills 30,000 each year. The virus is transmitted most often through the bite of the female Aedes aegypti mosquito. Once controlled fairly well by widespread vaccination and mosquito control, the disease is making a comeback and outbreaks are becoming more frequent.
The parasitic disease malaria is responsible for a staggering number of deaths – over one million a year – the majority children under five. A child dies every 30 seconds from malaria, many in just days after infection. Pregnant women infected with malaria can give birth to underweight babies who are then vulnerable to other diseases.
Today, 90 per cent of malaria cases occur in sub-Saharan Africa. Malaria, so named by the Romans because they believed it arose from bad (mala) air (aire) floating up from nearby swamps, is in fact caused by a single-celled parasite, Plasmodium, which is transmitted by the bite of the Anopheles mosquito. Though there is no vaccine for malaria, it can be controlled with mosquito nets and insect repellant, and is often treatable with antimalarial drugs.
This information is from UNICEF, not a government
We do a lot of work with UNICEF
Gary.
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FACT Gary – we have no idea what the life expectancy of people was in the late 1800s because records were not kept.
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Proof please. I can show that records were indeed kept. Just look at any graveyard from the 1800s. Plenty of lifespans listed there. And that’s just one example of many.
Dave – where is your proof – you say you can show that the records were kept and then, you refer to graveyards. Are those your records?
Who am I to make that decision you ask? A trained professional, and who are you? A narrow minded, negative nobody that is spreading negativity and scaremongering, the world is not flat, aliens didn’t build the pyramids, the moon is not made of cheese and elvis died of a heart attack in 1977 cause he was constipated.
Intelligent, educated people will see right through you, you’re only influencing gullible hippies
The positives FAR outweigh the negatives, focus on those!
All the comments from the Naysayers here have nothing to add, all they do is try to belittle me, it’s that negativity again, try going to third world counties and seeing the difference, instead of sitting in your homes judging others.
Uhhhm in third world countries they still poo and wee on the street. If they fixed that up, and made proper toilets, then the infectious disease would decrease, not because of vaccinating them.
As a trained professional, you are showing a woeful ignorance of the basics of what constitutes health (hint – it isn’t the absence of measles, mumps or rubella). In addition – as a trained professional, your job is to give your professional opinion and then, step back and let your patients make their own decision. You are not the boss – you are simply a paid advisor. Don’t ever forget that Gary. And if you think it is only hippies who are questioning vaccination (and allopathic medical procedures), you are truly out of touch with what is happening around you.
If its too dangerous to put an expired long-life light globe in the bin because the mercury content will contaminate the soil how is it not too dangerous to inject mercury into a tiny baby’s bloodstream?
All your facts are for 3rd world countries with poor living conditions and poor nutrition and ignorance of hygiene or lack of facilities to live hygienically so how does that apply to Australia?
So because someone else’s training and experience was not achieved the same way as your own, she is narrow-minded and negative, while you are a “trained professional”? Your behaviour does not resemble that of a man of science, but rather a high priest of the religion of vaccination, whose god has been blasphemed.
Your linking of the vaccine conspiracy to other conspiracies, some real – some imagined, only highlights that you have nothing of substance to debate with.
“The positives FAR outweigh the negatives, focus of those!” Keep your New-Age hocus-pocus to yourself, hippie. When it comes to medicine, those wanting to be healthy will do well to steer clear of the snake oil you’re peddling.
Hi Gary. Commendable intentions, regardless of our differing opinions on the benefits of lack of. So you’ve given thousands of vaccinations, with little to no evidence of side effects. How long do the patients remain under your supervision after you administer their shots? Do you give them the vaccine product insert, or at least the extract outlining side effects and how to report possible adverse reactions, in English or their local languages?
Every responsible parent should vaccinate their children. Full stop.
No Tanya – you’ve got it wrong. Every responsible parent should be making informed choices when it comes to the life and the health of their children. If, after becoming informed, they choose to vaccinate, they are being responsible. If, after becoming informed, they choose not to vaccinate or to vaccinate selectively, they are likewise being responsible. If however, they simply have a closely held belief that they want to vaccinate without ever doing any research on their own, they are being incredibly irresponsible and they are not doing the best thing by their vulnerable children who rely upon their parents to be their informed, involved and active advocates. Full stop.
Sure holding parents to a financial disadvantage is against some constitution / law .
Class action is certainly needed.
If you want to understand how it is that the “Australian Government” is getting away with what they are doing, please see the link below outlining how they have set up the government to act as a CORPORATION (registered in Washington DC) rather than a GOVERNMENT under royal assent. Well worth the time it takes to watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umVj5XQYAi8
Why did you remove my comment? There was nothing offensive in the content at all.
HD – once again I have to tell you that I am the ONLY person moderating comments on this page and you made your comment less than one hour before posting about having it removed. Really people – you need to allow some time for moderation. I don’t get paid to do this and I do it every single day so a little patience would be appreciated!
Geez calm down. This is the first time I’ve ever posted on this site so I wasn’t aware it worked that way..
HD – I was not the one yelling – you were.
Meryl, maybe you could add a signature to the bottom of all posts with a couple of FAQ for newcomers, including that comments may not be approved inmediately. The WP Post Signature plugin should do the trick …
Excellent idea, Tamhas – I will look into doing that.
Actually all I did was ask a question, but whatever.
11,000. What, ever? Or in a certain time frame.
The one year prior to the vaccine
Thanks Gary. What year whas that please. According to the below even in 1947 there was only around 1500 notifications for measles nationally. And according to Wikipedia the first measles vaccine was intro’d in 1963 but didn’t become widely available until 1970 (not sure what year for Aus though). Was your 500k figure global? Would you have link you could share please?
https://www.ncirs.edu.au/immunisation/education/tools/vpd-report-2010/SlidesSet-D06-Measles.pdf
Seven days perhaps for natural infections. In fact the rash and mouth ulcers might have not appeared until a few days later but definitely not seven. In this case they were telling our neighborhood WeChat group about it, the kid was hospitalized for a high fever the same day she had the infection. The doctors didn’t know what it was and so they they were asking everyone they knew for ideas. When the adverse reaction occurred the doctors didn’t even think to consult the product insert to compare known side effects to the actual symptoms. This was just back in November last year. Here’s a message they left after it all finished. You can google translate it if you feel the need
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Check out the BBC documentary Seven Wonders of the Modern World (I think it’s called), the episode about the London sewer system, how the fellow built it when he realised people were dying because of well waters being contaminated by faeces. Great documentary and may help you realise that improvement in sanitary conditions due to improved sewer works and water treatment should not be discounted when considering reductions in disease infection rates over the years. Hard to deny that people not ingesting faeces led to some public health improvement.
Every year, the eugenicist, Bill Gates and the W.H.O. swan around third world countries injecting the children with filth. Have you ever wondered why they never spend money on water treatment plants, sewage works and proper sanitary equipment? Because, if they did that the diseases would all dwindle and they would start losing trillions in revenue.
This sums up what’s in store for Australia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sES6_OXPwOU
This is also happening all over the globe.
I would LOVE to witness a TRUE DEBATE on this issue. Meaning no filtering on either panels. From EXPERTS i.e. Doctors, Naturopaths, Parents of children both for an against. Parents of children that have misfortunate experiences “after vaccines”. There is REAL EVIDENCE if you look for parents that have actually achieved major improvements or healed Autism, ADD etc after vaccines with strict diet résumés. By focusing on strengthening immune system to counteract the affects of vaccinations
overwhelming attack on small babies immunity, too soon, the bacteria overwhelms the “gut” causing immune dysfunction & is found in the brain tissue causing brain damage. Stats show 1980 (7 vacs by age 5) 1 – 2 Autism compared to 2013 (36 vacs by age 5) 1 in 68, isn’t that worth RESEARCHING. When I was a child, measles, mumps & chickenpox was just part of our life’s experience. Got sick, recovered with a stronger immunity. I never heard of deaths – some may have happened?? but how does this death statistics compare to the exploding Autism, ADHD, ADD, Asperger’s syndrome etc
And yes Sharon, there is too much filtering on here, I would love to have a civil, unbiased debate on this issue but there is far too much criticism and belittling of actual educated people instead of scaremongering people that sit at home & scan the internet and “believe” everything they read
Hi Gary,
I would be more than happy to debate on Science and where it stands in relation to Vaccination, and my reasoning that Pro-Choice is the best way forward.
Most people would agree that when it comes to Science, possibility is infinite. If one was to deny that, then we have to accept the absurd notion that we now know all there is to know.
We also know that any Scientific experiment is limited by its Hypothesis, parameters, time frame, data, etc. It is also limited by the perception of the observer/observers – even trained scientist are limited by what they can perceive or know.
Given that there is infinite possibility, yet limits to what we’re able to perceive, how could anyone come to the conclusion that the Science is proven and that we all must vaccinate? If you accept infinite possibility, then you would be faced with the absurd notion that you accept it and deny it at the same time. If you were to deny unlimited possibility, then you would be forced to say we know all we ever will no now (as mentioned earlier).
I myself can’t deny the possibility that vaccination is safe, just as I can’t rule out that it’s not completely safe either. I’m acutely aware that my perception is limited and possibility is infinite.
What possibilities are you choosing to either ignore, or that haven’t come into your field of vision yet?
Yes you are a trained professional and I have no doubt you have the best of intentions, but could you say your truth is the only truth? If that is so, that would put you in the same boat as other extremists and fundamentalists.
You might also say that the pros out way the cons to your way of thinking, but it is only your opinion and if you believe it to be Absolute you again deny any other possible alternative.
Just for the record again, I am Pro-Choice, and I am more than happy to support those that choose to Vaccinate, and I do believe it has it’s place. However until the day we know with absolute certainty it’s safety (and there’s plenty of evidence to suggest doubt), the concept of mandatory vaccination is absolutely and totally abhorrent.
Tony Abbot refused to vaccinate his daughters when he was health minister.
Tony Abbott rejected the Gardasil vaccine and claimed that the vaccine might actually result in “an increase in cancer rates”.
Tony Abbott also stated “I won’t be rushing out to get my daughters vaccinated, maybe that’s because I’m a cruel, callow, callous, heartless bastard but, look, I won’t be”.
While it is certainly true that Tony Abbott was the Health Minister when Gardasil was approved, it was actually the then Prime Minister, John Howard, that ensured that Gardasil was approved – not Tony Abbott.
Gardasil vaccine is supposed to provide protection against the cancer causing HPV virus. Cancer is a far more serious than chickenpox, mumps or measles. Why did this well informed health minister refuse this vaccine? Lately it has become know that the vaccine has caused only 32 deaths (manufacturers figure) or 139+ deaths in 2 months (investigative journalist) and countless disabilities.
The Prime Minister also wants to make it a greater financial burden for me to use homeopathic treatment which, by the way, has so far saved the taxpayer in excess of $21,600 for the medications I am prescribed but have not used over the last 12 years because of homeopathic treatment, PLUS unknown $$$$ for the Drs I don’t see. It will now cost me $450 more per year to see my chosen health professional homeopath and for why? I wish you could answer that Gary.
For years alternative medicine has been against Paracetamol and all such type of medication. For years doctors have been against them,dimissing their opinions as comments from people who do not know what they are talking about. During all this time,they have been prescribing these drugs. Now,they are saying that research has shown that these drugs are not effective,and that they in fact cause harm to the liver. How many liver failures may they have caused????
Now,alternative medicine is against vaccinations. Has the medical board asked to see their reason for coming to this conclusion? Most doctors will dismiss this idea,without even a glance at any research or test
results.Who’s to say the same thing will not occur in years to come?
We believe every citizen has a right to decide for themselves,the kind of treatment they wish to have. We believe that it is unconstitutional for the government to decide for us,what treatment we should or should not have.
You are telling us that you are the only one moderating comments, yet Greg said he was the ONLY one moderating, and you want people to believe what you are peddling? You want people to donate so you will tell naive, gullible people anything, why moderate, let intelligent people know the TRUTH instead of making up rubbish to make money.
Gary, that was me – not greg. I was on my iPad and it automatically signed me in with another moderator name and I didn’t realise it until afterwards. I do apologise for any confusion. I am on my computer now and will fix the auto-login on my iPad so that doesn’t happen again. So please don’t be so paranoid. Errors happen and perhaps it would be better to have asked first rather than accused?
Its ironic that this “Dr” Gary, labelling as “conspiracy theories” the well documented evidence that vaccine-free is safer and healthier, without investigation, is happy to invent his own.
“You want people to donate so you will tell naive, gullible… [blah, blah, blah]”
It also always amazes me that so many so-called doctors think there is money in telling people the truth about medicine, while all the time being part of the one of the biggest government supported monopolies in the country. Can these people not do basic math? If I were a psychopath and simply wanted to make money, it’d be far easier to become a doctor and charge $37 for seeing a patient every 5 minutes (in addition to any non-bulk-billed portion), than to try and convince hundreds of people to donate a few dollars (every hour, mind you, to make the same money). If anyone has a financial motive to lie in this debate, its the doctors, not those on a shoestring budget with their homemade websites asking for a few paltry donations to cover costs.
If vaccines haven’t damaged the critical thinking aspects of “Dr” Gary’s brain, I do suggest he start to put them to use.
That’s what I’ve been saying about some of the comments directed at me, yet it seems to be ok for them, and you haven’t posted some of my posts again about you being one person with multiple profiles Greg or are you shotgun today? Sorry Jay M, or Sally or whomever?
This all seems a bit one sided to me & reeks of a scam.
Gary, you are just paranoid, mate. I am Meryl – and I am the only one moderating this blog. Get over it. And I didn’t approve your post because it was abusive. Just like I have no abused several other posts from readers of this page that were abusive towards you. I try to keep the tone of the page relatively friendly though I won’t censor criticism as long as it’s within the bounds of reason.
Hi Gary, actually Meryl disallowed one of my commenta which was not even rude or abusive, but because I mentioned the name of one of the ladies answering Tony Abbot’s phone. So while like you and I she’s undoubtedly biased, she’s generally trying to keep things civil. From what I have seen you haven’t tended to become aggressive without provocation, and you’re doing well keeping things civil, it’s tough for us all, but let’s keep doing our best. I suggest we all try to go with numbers and add links to our arguments wherever possible. But at the same time we have to recognise that there is lots of anecdotal evidence out there that doesn’t enter the stats, such as the two incidents I have seen of doctors in denial regarding a lj adverse reaction, even when it occurred only hours after the vaccine. Please do stay here, we need someone to argue with. Let’s all try our best to keep it civil, insults won’t convince anyone of anything. And if Gary says he’s a doctor, let’s assume he’s telling the truth, although that doesn’t mean we cannot question him. I for one would like to hear some answers about what information Gary gives to his patients in prior to vaccination, and what follow up he has in place to ensure any adverse events are reported. Could you please advise me on this, Gary?
What about decreasing payments to those parents who feed their children copious amounts of fast food ?
Perhaps the children of the people who choose not to vaccinate are healthier due to their better diet and lifestyle ?
Perhaps the “sheep” who vaccinate are also the “sheep” who listen to the government who tells us that Coco Pops are suitable to be sold ?
Why not decrease the payments to those parents who smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol ?
Perhaps decrease payments to those people who choose to speed while driving with their children ?
Here’s another one – decrease the payment to parents who refuse to put suncream on their children.
If this goes through, it will be time for me to stop paying my taxes and rates because my roads are not up to an acceptable level.
And, referring to Gardasil, it was knocked back from PBS because it was not good value for money. Hardly the Government doing whats best for the health of the community.
“The PBAC said it made the decision because the vaccine program – which would have cost about $625 million during its first four years – was not value for money, but the drug’s maker and scientists involved have disputed the claim.”
And again Chris, Im going to be in total agreement about your statement on decreasing benefit payments for people who consume copious amounts of fast food, here in Queensland, they are bringing in a card system where a certain percentage of your benefit goes towards fresh foods & you are unable to purchase alcohol, cigarettes, it amazes me that you can’t buy the basic necessities of life after 5pm, yet you can get a burger 24/7. As in my previous posts, I do grow the majority of our own vegetables but I have a hungry lot & demand far outweighs production, I don’t know what pesticides or insecticides are on woollies vegetables, but I know mine are natural
But sorry, you lost me on the “same sheep” comments.
And just to clarify, just because I’m a doctor, doesn’t mean I have any affiliation or am influenced by the government, as I’m only a resident & not a citizen, I don’t even vote.
But good try to try to belittle me.
O.K Gary….so you say that vaccines are 100 % safe….right ?, because if there like you say there is NO evidence that there is a LINK between them and autism and other diseases some life threatening… but You say you know for a fact that vacs are safe …o.k no problems but since the government and opposition is now FORCING Parents because now they will no choice!!
and they the government are believing that the vacs are safe… then the parents who do not want but now have to get their children vaccinated,, should a GUARANTEE from the government through their doctor,,,at the time of the FORCED vaccination
THAT should a child get a adverse reaction ,because of the FORCED vaccination . then the government shell be held responsible for this and will PAY COMPENSATION to the parents
Maybe a class action by the parents who have had their loved little ones life’s destroyed by the “jab” should put a little fear back in to the gumeenet…
but hey the vaccines are 100% safe aren’t they Garry ??? because if there is even a slight chance that they are not…( which they are! they are cocktail of poisons heavy metals etc)
then I want to have a choice IF I want to take that risk!
My sympathy for the decent people of Australia. I live in Canada, and people who are skeptical of the safety of vaccination are likewise hated and maligned by willfully ignorant dictators.
I love this great article — here, take a peek: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/australia-refuse-vaccination-lose-15000/
A poem.. very clear, the plea – ‘Vaccine Woman’: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015/04/06/vaccine-woman-2/
All well and good to make claims about the benefits of Vaccinations but put some authentic Forensic evidence or shut up. Science means 100% of the time, one failure means not science only an opinion based on someones perception. You can never prove anything about vaccines because its not scientific, there are too many vaccinmce failures and these so called preventable diseases were on the decline through beter sanitation, cleaner water and better health practices, just look at the third world countries where these diseases are rampant dispite massive vaccine programs. Clean up the water, sewage and get some better nutrition into these people and you may just see a change. To many peole saying its bad for my liking, If something is as it claims to be why so many people refusing and challenging it, does not make any sence. Must be something wrong here and Im sure there is. You cant fool all the people only the dumb ones.
That’s fantastic Gary that you grown your own veggies and I don’t think any one should belittle anyone on there choices! We are happy we chose not to vaccinate and work hard at building a strong immune. I reacted badly to my
Vax as a child and don’t want to risk it on our kids! I think important we all respect each other’s choices. I researched each disease, what’s in shots
Ect. I have continuted researching for 14 years. I Went into it thinking I would but came out after it was safer to build and support the immune, we have a 5,10,12 that are rarely sick and never had antibiotic which is very diffent to my
Health as a child. What I applyed to the kids has changed my health around to. I think we need to respect each other not bring any one down even if we don’t agree.
What the government is proposing with the support of the opposition and the Greens is nothing short of standover tactics. It is a bit like a twisted protection racket run by the government. It is extremely underhand and smacks of totalitarianism. Or is “holding me to ransom’ a better description? Either way it is tyrannical of them to threaten to remove a Child Benefit if the parent doesn’t force their child to get vaccinated. It is plainly outrageous. And what if the 12 year old refuses to have any jabs? Are we to request the assistance of the Police Armed Crime Squad? Or are they more interested in just saving the Family Benefit Payments?
Now the tyrants are in charge. What must we do to resist these tyrants?
Firstly there is no mention of political parties in the Constitution.
Some also say that on all our Bankster cards our name is printed in capitals thus rendering us as a business entity if I remember correctly. ie not a human being.
As I also recall, someone some time ago warned us about accepting payments from the government because they would most certainly be taken away at a later stage.
The question might be this – “Who is telling the Liberal Party to do this wicked deed?”
A couple of months ago on 9/2/2015 Tony Abbott was about to be dumped as PM, then this announcement on 12/4/2015, 62 days later! Was a deal done? Was an ultimatum given?
But not just the Liberal Party but all the parties are in lockstep like Nazi SS stormtroopers goosestepping at a military rally. How come they are so in agreement?
A dark dark shadow is settling over Australia.
Agreed Ken. Someone or some group, perhaps with links to the Bill and Melinda Gates’ eugenics foundation, has bribed, blackmailed or otherwise coerced key people in the major parties to lockstep on the vaccine protection racket.
Your message brings to mind something I read once on the difference between the Royal Coat of Arms of the de jure government (with lion and unicorn) as opposed to the logo of the corporate entity named COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA (with kangaroo and emu).
Thanks for posting that link.
I would suggest everyone forward that link to as many politicians as possible abd demand a response.
aamichael666, yes your suggestions seem the only likely answer to the problem.
We have seen from the information supplied here that diseases were already greatly on the decline mainly because of better sanitation and nutrition. We must assume that our political representatives and the “medical profession” have this same information available to themselves. Therefore we must conclude that there is an ulterior motive for wanting “the herd” 100% vaccinated. What might those reasons be? Well Big Pharma will profit even more than they do now for one. What happens to the population if some nasty component is ‘accidentally’ included with all the other stuff in that particular vaccine?
https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-australian-tea-party/agenda-21-beefed-up-in-australia/326495417385688
Dear Gary et al,
It is disappointing to read some of the comments here, there truly is a lack of intelligence on both sides. If we want progress we need rational coherent debate. What we are discussing here, I believe, is choice – not vaccinations in itself.
Every parent, every child has the right to an intelligent and heartfelt rational choice over there individual healthcare and lifestyle choices. Australia and most of the developed world is beginning to realise that our youth is being hit by a wave of suicide, depression and obesity related death. I live in a typical Australian suburb and watch as parents fill their shopping baskets with processed foods, chips and biscuits – light up a cigarette on their way out and all whilst towing their young children along with them. Parents make poor decisions every day, in a country that is relatively free like Australia, this is their right. Meat and dairy producers have openly admitted (under consumer pressure) to using antibiotics, growth hormones and plastic based fillers in their products for years – whilst the Australian government paid for massive marketing campaigns to insist that dairy and meat was essential for healthy growth in children- information which has since been proven wrong. What I am trying to say here is some companies, like it or not, feed off of our ignorance and celebrate and promote our poor choices in order to make spectacular products (remember by GDP many of the largest ‘countries’ in the world now are actually companies). I happen to make my own choices based on the best information available at the time as well as my own intuition, as is (currently) my right.
Gary you seem like a decent rational and caring person and do not deserve to be attacked on this forum, I hope that you can look beyond this and as some have suggested take a look at some of the scientific arguments for both sides of this ever-controversial debate. Allopathic medicine has some remarkable successes and equally some remarkable failures, I will not bore anyone by repeating these here but any quick look at the available literature will give some interesting reading for both sides of the argument. Personally I can walk thanks to allopathic medicine, but also spent years in pain BECAUSE of allopathic medicine. I use Ayurveda medicine as my base which has thousands of years of both scientific and experiential testing to back it up. The number one reason I choose this method is because it squarely places the responsibility for health with the individual – ayurvedic doctors will not treat patients unwilling to invest in personal exercise, diet and detoxing – if you want to be well then you must ‘live-well’. However I do not force my beliefs onto others who have chosen another pathway.
This debate is crucial, what we are talking about here is the very cornerstone of democracy, the reason we have been to war so many times – freedom of choice – if we start to erode this now it will all be quickly washed away. If I was in charge all processed foods which contain any e-number would be banned along with alcohol and cigarettes. For those who love tim-tams and a glass of wine you may well be glad that I am no in charge. Simply put we cannot call ourselves a democracy when we force parents to make choices that are abhorrent to them in the name of ‘health’. I work as a teacher and have seen first hand the result of vaccine caused harm (not conspiracy, just legitimate diagnosis from medical doctors) – it does happen and no one should force us to experiment with our children’s health in this way – equally no one should deny parents the right to vaccine should they choose that pathway.
I vote for rational debate, understanding on both sides and the end of abuse on any side on forums such as these.
Best wishes to all,
Simon
Simon, The first issue is indeed choice and the second issue is the efficacy of vaccines. However, the two issues are so tightly linked together they put our politicians, medical officials and phamaceutical companies under the microscope so to speak. They all know about the graphs and records linked here so, for the government to force the less well off to vaccinate their children is outrageous. It is criminal and another poster here said the only way to oppose what is happening is by taking the issue to court at the appropriate time.
People should have the right to choose what risks they take with their own child. Vaccinate or not to vaccinatie both have proven risks ,No one should have the power to make that choice but the parent ,This is how I feel . No parent wants their child to become sick or disabled, whatever choice they make is with the hope that they are making the right one
Hi Everyone,
I have a science degree (and therefore, must be fairly smart, yes?) and have an informed opinion on this issue. I don’t want to fight or be competitive over who is the most intelligent or the most correct.
I believe we have fundamental rights and these are being slowly eroded away.
I have questions…..
I want to know why the government has decided to make such an outrageous ‘No jab, No pay’ supposed ‘reform’ now?? I would like to know whether pharmaceutical companies have made (or are going to make) donations? I would like to know why the government is offering incentive payments to doctors?? I believe and correct me if I’m wrong, doctors already receive payments for vaccinations (whether it be from the government or pharmaceutical companies)? Why give them further incentives?? This seems to me to equate to bribery…?
I feel sad this child in WA has died from whooping cough. It is a terrible disease…. People feel emotive on this issue and the government and media are running with it… Unfortunately, children/babies are dying all the time. There are sad stories in every state in this country – and there will be differing reasons which may be equally as emotive.
I think it is extremely concerning that parents making educated and informed decisions regarding their children are basically being told they’re wrong. It is a basic human right to allow parents to look after their children in the best way they know how. Please don’t tell people their concerns are unjustified. I feel like we have digressed so badly and I am embarrassed to be living in such a place.
If you want to target those who are simply complacent or can’t be bothered, then this is a different matter altogether.
I would like to know who will sign a legal document stating emphatically, that this child will not be damaged by this vaccine??
To take away a significant amount of money from those who can least afford it, is discrimination and I am absolutely disgusted. The way I see it, the government is basically using coercion, punishment and bribes?? Surely this is against the law?? It is shameful..
I am very saddened by our lack of respect for each other and the decisions we make.
I am also saddened that the government (on both sides!!) thinks punishment is the best way of dealing with this issue…..
Cheers
Carol
I forgot to mention the discrimination in other areas – for example, childcare centres who are very judgemental of those not vaccinating. This has to stop….
I just spoke to my local members office – and was told parents still have the choice not to vaccinate….. Really?? There is bullying tactics used from nearly every direction…..
Carol
More babies die from drinking artificial baby formula than babies that ever die from whooping cough. There must be more to the issue than they are saying. If mother’s were forced into breastfeeding then a lot less babies will die. And yet they are targeting the one (very sad, but only one) baby who has died of whooping cough.
Agreed, urgent action is overdue.
The collective mental health of this country is at question.
Diplomacy is not an option in this vaccine pogrom, I’m afraid.
It’s clear which side inevitably wins this invasion, oppressive, narrow minded intelligence versus free minded ingenuity can guarantee only one outcome.
Not in this lifetime, prhaps, but over generations. Look at Vietnam, all the ex-colonial hubs, china, Afghanistan now, iraq, palestine, balkans, no people has ever surrendered their freedom willy-nilly, the list is endless.
I might stay to fight, but for my young family will opt for people smugglers to get us the hell out of this New World Australia and take us to a far more tolerant North Korea, or less scary place like Somalia maybe.
Government??? When have they ever served the PEOPLE??!!…major parties…ONE NATION, you mean.
the votes never have, never will count.COAG is anonymous on this vaccine -bribery campaign. Guess who’s best-mates with AMA, CSL, walking arms over shoulders, hands in back pockets and everything.
Carol thank you for your comments very well said.
Carol and Garcie, you have both hit the nail on the head. History has shown when you try to take away a freedom, pain and suffering can be the only possible outcome.
Given our leaders are still more than happy to engage in Military battles the world over, I’d suggest they haven’t learnt a thing!
If it ever came to pass that the government decided to make vaccination mandatory, I would be on the first plane to Canberra demanding to debate the entire Parliament if that’s what it took!
Nobody can say that their truth (our even my truth) is the ultimate truth, and nobody can say the Science has been settled given Science itself has proven that possible outcomes are infinite and human perception is limited. Only a fundamentalist could possibly suggest that their truth is the only truth……. Hitler, Bin Laden, George W Bush anyone??????
I, like most of the people here are not definitively Anti-vaccine (we’re all happy for Pro-vaccers to stick whatever they like into their own bodies), but we are all most definitely Pro Choice. You take away our right to choose what we put into our bodies, and this will be the beginning of the end for what was once a great nation.
For the first time in my life, I feel embarrassed to say that I am Australian!
Hi all
I’ve asked this question before so apologies if you have seen it on the facebook page, but does anyone know what will happen with current conscientious objections or ones sourced before the legislation comes into play? Will they still be effective? Ie so if a child starts childcare and they have had some conscientious objections for some vaccines, will parents be forced to get those vaccines before rebates are given? I’m really hoping it doesn’t come into effect, but just looking at our options if it does! Who can afford childcare without the rebates???? A fat lot of choice that is. TIA
My statement was not emotional, it is based in science. When you understand the science it is impossible to ignore.
The fact that there is even a difference of opinion here should indicate the necessity for free choice. NWO population decimation if you ask me. Good luck young people. Resist.
Hello sceptics
True science, in its ontology, never dictates but always asks the question in the never setting light of human consciousness. Vaccinated or not vaccinated, that isn’t the question. To the credit of this website, whom i have no affiliation nor particular interest in except the row of freedom of expression being touted as something that belongs to them in the ‘know’, is a voice of reason against this deafening shrill of populism. Having seen and been implicated with not a few movements in my notoriously short lifetime indulging in the dark arts of ancient scepticism, no one should ever dare be forced to comply with something except to the code of their own moral compass and be left autonomously or in the historical fits and starts of enlightened collectivity (and no, we aren’t in one at the moment), be left to their own devices. Or else like the noble savage in Brave New World, lest we forget the reality they (the system) want us to live in, you will be forever labelled as an outsider and a decrepit. To the true sceptic, may you always ask the question and be wiser then those who dream to know.
Levi
So why did Japan ban the mmr vaccine?? What’s your answer to Italian courts linking vaccines to autism plus many other health problems?
You need a wake up call. You just wrote that you were fully vaccinated against the very same disease it was suppose to prevent but you got it anyway. And you don’t know how you got it? Come on… Snap out of it.
Dig further… Find the real research and data. Not the big pharma manipulated ones. You do know that they have been busted righ? Hiding, manipulating and distorting data right? That’s mainstream news.
Big pharma are doing their hardest to hide the evidence of the risks far outweighing the benefits of vaccines. It ain’t working so well though. Thanks to the Internet.
Safe and effective my butt.. https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/brain-damaged-uk-victims-swine-flu-vaccine-get-60-million-compensation-1438572
Love it Levi, long live true skepticism!
I humbly venture to suggest that if tou hadnt already had swates of vaccines before you contacted the Rubella virus, then your own God given immune system would have been in a far better state to defend your body. Vaccines damage our immune system. The EXTREME rise in SIDS and AUTISM coincide with the rise in vaccines and America has the HIGHEST infant mortality rate despite or because of its highest vaccination rate. The infant mortality rate is way above that of third world countries where sanitation, and nutrition is very poor as well as low vaccination. Go figure. Please dont assume I have not done my research.
When an unvaccinated person contracts and overcomes a virus such as rubella, chicken pox etc they have LIFETIME IMMUNITY because our bodies are perfectly designed and do not need the chemical concoction of arrogant God denying man to improve them. Please excuse any misspells as I cannot view more than 1line for some reason.
Is anyone aware of any Good Doctors in Adelaide that will agree not to vaccinate and sign due to medical reasons on their pathetic forms, Them medical reasons being common sense, choice and right to healthy life…….
No Sam – no doctor that I know of will lie about a medical exemption – it’s worth their license to do so. If you want to stop this discriminatory legislation, please join with the AVN in fighting against it. Become a member, write your letters, and join the protests that will be happening in every capital city on the 21st of June this year. Spread the word to those who also support informed medical choice – no matter what their vaccination decision has been.
We should ask Abbott on why he doesn’t get his daughters vaccinated with Gardasil?
I would like to make a comment to Gary regarding the 500,000 that died from measles in 2003. Gary, if you go onto the Unicef website which I think you may have it clearly states “Pneumonia, diarrhoea, malaria, measles, HIV/AIDS and malnutrition are the primary killers of children in the developing world. These children die because they are poor, they do not have access to routine immunization or health services, their diets lack sufficient vitamin A and other essential micronutrients, and they live in circumstances that allow pathogens (disease-causing organisms) to thrive”. These children were born from malnourished mothers. The children die because as Unicef says “they are poor”, “their diets lack essential micronutrients”. When quoting figures it must be in context. Simply quoting stats are useless unless you are comparing apples with apples.
And to Mind43dom. When you say there is no direct correlation between the Vaccines and Autism it should say no correlation either there is or there isnt. No direct doesn’t really make sense. With regarding Autism and Vaccinations. The outcomes of these epidemiological studies are dependent upon the design of the study, who is funding them and so on. What is required are longitudinal clinical trials of the combined immunisation schedule comparing vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Many of the studies between vaccinations and autism are selective.
Guys, all the arguing, debating and bickering aside – please can you tell me what you are all planning on doing if this bill does become law? Are there any “hidden” loopholes you will try to go for? Are there any ways at all to get a medical exemption? Or do we simply not know enough info about the bill yet?
We have a baby under 12 months and will not EVER but this vile poison into her. Things are tough enough as it is and if we lost our FTB payments we would have to make huge lifestyle changes, as in “move in with the mother in law” type of thing. Not good.
I’m not ever going to lose hope of fighting this Orwellian government so your “worst case scenario” plans would be most appreciated.
Is there a petition on change.org? Would be good to gauge numbers.
Depopulation test run? 75% of children who received vaccines in Mexican town now dead or hospitalized
https://www.naturalnews.com/049669_vaccine_injury_depopulation_agenda_deadly_side_effects.html#ixzz3ZxdRd2BG
“…14 children are in serious condition, 22 are stable and one is in critical condition,” the Chiapas Health Secretariat said in a statement via Latino.FoxNews.com.
What’s especially alarming is that only 52 children were vaccinated in all, meaning that 75% of those receiving the vaccines are now either dead or hospitalized.
We moved to Australia few years ago. Our 1 year old daughter back then have had all the shots current, we had all the paperwork to confirm, but despite that it took us ages to convince them she doesn’t need any more shots, and they were demanding more and more. I’m not sure if they do care about your child’s health or is it just an entry in the computer system